Race Car Barn Finds

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:57 pm

One of my favourite subjects; the old car or old race car discovered in someones barn/garage/paddock/basement, thought lost forever. How about sharing some of your own experiences of finding old race cars, or sharing stories of other peoples discoveries.

I'll kick off woth one of my favourites, although not my own discovery. This was the one and only Alan Mann built Open Sports Ford which appeared at the penultimate round of the 1969 Can-Am, then was raced just one more time, in the final race, then seems to have vanished forever.

I've long been fascinated by this car, but have always struggled to find information about it. I put together a brief article on the car here: http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?53-The-Open-Sports-Ford

Was advertised for sale on Ebay a few years ago after decades in storage.

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RogerH · Post by **RogerH** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:33 pm

A couple of cars that I tracked down were "kind of" barn finds.

The 1960 Lola Mk2 had been sitting in the loft of a private museum in the Black Forest in Germany for over 40 years. It was the first production Lola single seater ever built (chassis #1) with a Monza, Monaco, Nurburgring etc history and was assumed lost. Here are some photos as found :

The 1947 A40 Special was tracked down to the back of a warehouse in Wellington where it had been hiding for over 20 years :

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:37 pm

Wow! Incredible stories Roger. I can't believe how original each car is. Thats amazing. The Lola apperas to have its original seat fabric. How did you come to track each car down?

Whats the red sports car next to the A40 Special?

AMCO72 · Post by **AMCO72** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:46 pm

Yes, and the blue car looks like a Morgan, maybe even a 4 seater Morgan. Must have been some warehouse!!!!

RogerH · Post by **RogerH** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:06 am

The Lola was in virtually "time capsule" condition with most bits as it was in the early 1960s - original body, chassis, engine, gearbox, wheels etc - even the seat upholstery. Finding it was a bit of searching and bit of luck. The owner of the museum had died and his son was clearing out. This car was in the loft and even had the original chassis plate with #1 on it. I heard of it through a contact in Europe and was sent some photos. I don't think they really knew what it was but I was pretty sure it was the "lost" first Lola made so made an offer which was accepted - this all happened in about 24 hours through emails. Once they found out what the car actually was the deal got a bit "difficult" but in an "interesting" arrangement through France, Switzerland and Germany it was soon in a container on its way here.

The A40 was was just detective work over a few years. You are right it was a Morgan 4 seater and the red car is very interesting and very rare - might take a few guesses before I give the show away ...........

Howard Wood · Post by **Howard Wood** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:10 am

Given that the Lola was Eric Broadley's first production race car and that Broadley and Lola went on to build some wonderful cars, we can forgive the asymetric rear suspension geometry!

The fixed length driveshafts effectively form the top suspension link, a la Lotus 20 but because the diff is offset the driveshafts are different lengths.

Roger, have you driven one of these and do they drive differently going left and right?

Red car a Marcos?

Trevor Sheffield · Post by **Trevor Sheffield** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:21 am

Howard Wood wrote:Given that the Lola was Eric Broadley's first production race car and that Broadley and Lola went on to build some wonderful cars, we can forgive the asymetric rear suspension geometry!

The fixed length driveshafts effectively form the top suspension link, a la Lotus 20 but because the diff is offset the driveshafts are different lengths.

Not a problem compared with Chapman's last efforts with his Lotus Seven rear suspension as finally built in NZ. LOL

bry3500 · Post by **bry3500** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:12 am

1974 Lola T332 barn find that was raced during 1975 by Brian Redman. Recently went up on Ebay

RogerH · Post by **RogerH** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:21 am

Howard - I race the Lola often and the handling is no different between right or left corners. The offset rear suspension is to cope with the offset engine so the driver sits alongside the gearbox not sitting over it. The set up Broadley used was quite smart with the half shafts being of almost equal length despite the offset - the RH uv sits inside the magnesium rear upright assembly while the LH one sits outside of the assembly.

Here is an overhead view of the car without the body showing the offset set up:

No the red car isn't a Marcos. A clue - its extremely rare with I think only eight or nine made - it was very slippery.

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:23 am

That bloody red car is driving me nuts! I know what it is.......... but I don't, if that makes sense?

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:25 am

bry3500 wrote:1974 Lola T332 barn find that was raced during 1975 by Brian Redman. Recently went up on Ebay

Got a link Bry or has the auction already ended?

thunder427 · Post by **thunder427** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:47 am

Steve Holmes wrote:Got a link Bry or has the auction already ended?

Steve, that 5000 may have past me only a couple of days ago,on the back of a traytruck, on the Tullamarine Freeway here in Melbourne Town, had a cover over it but it had those wheels on it , front multi spoke style and single dish rears, I'll keep the ear to the wall..............regards thunder427

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:59 am

Myles, wasn't there an old Kevin Bartlett F5000 that surfaced recently too? Was it his Mildren? Can't remember where I read it.

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:00 am

bry3500 wrote:1974 Lola T332 barn find that was raced during 1975 by Brian Redman. Recently went up on Ebay

Bry, how much did that Lola sell for in the end?

RogerH · Post by **RogerH** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:06 am

Steve Holmes wrote:That bloody red car is driving me nuts! I know what it is.......... but I don't, if that makes sense?

Another photo of the "bloody red car" .............. which will give the game away.

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:13 am

OK, you made that easy Roger! Thanks! That really had me rattled. How did a Costin Amigo end up in NZ?

RogerH · Post by **RogerH** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:21 am

From what I understand Steve, it was bought into NZ in the late 1980s. There were 7 Amigos built by Frank Costin when production stopped in 1972 but at that time two unfinished cars remained. This was one of the two unfinished cars and it was completed by Frank's son Hick Costin in 1979. When I saw it when I bought the A40 Special it had been laid up for about 15 years and I think the only issue was that it had a flat rear tyre.

Howard Wood · Post by **Howard Wood** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:22 am

[quote="RogerH"]Howard - I race the Lola often and the handling is no different between right or left corners. The offset rear suspension is to cope with the offset engine so the driver sits alongside the gearbox not sitting over it. The set up Broadley used was quite smart with the half shafts being of almost equal length despite the offset - the RH uv sits inside the magnesium rear upright assembly while the LH one sits outside of the assembly.

Here is an overhead view of the car without the body showing the offset set up:

Clever, the "inside out" UJ set up was not visible on the rear shot. And at least I got the designer right on the red car!

bry3500 · Post by **bry3500** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:43 am

Steve Holmes wrote:Bry, how much did that Lola sell for in the end?

Reserve wasn't met at $60.000 Steve..here is the ebay link with full history and more pics
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260779371552+&viewitem=

thunder427 · Post by **thunder427** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:58 am

Steve Holmes wrote:One of my favourite subjects; the old car or old race car discovered in someones barn/garage/paddock/basement, thought lost forever. How about sharing some of your own experiences of finding old race cars, or sharing stories of other peoples discoveries.

I'll kick off woth one of my favourites, although not my own discovery. This was the one and only Alan Mann built Open Sports Ford which appeared at the penultimate round of the 1969 Can-Am, then was raced just one more time, in the final race, then seems to have vanished forever.

I've long been fascinated by this car, but have always struggled to find information about it. I put together a brief article on the car here: http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?53-The-Open-Sports-Ford

Was advertised for sale on Ebay a few years ago after decades in storage.

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Steve,these photos where on another thread/forum,I asked the person concerned,that having such good luck with his 'discovery' what happened to the 'Pantera' in the background, he gave a 7 outa 10 for spotting that engine cover, but explained that it was not there 'as such'.....it was FORD powered I guess.........regards thunder427

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