Historic Sports Sedans Australia (Group U)

[cavvy]

Speaking of Monaros, what ever happened to the Peter Finch/Gordon Stephenson HQ Monaro from the late '70s/early '80s?

Still with Jim Anderson in WA m'thinks. He took it over from Gordon.

Go Alfa for a moment:
Gordon Stephenson raced many, one of which has been recently rebuilt, originally a sports sedan for Peter Wherret, then to Gordon in WA, then to Qld & then see http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/motorsports/162256-alfa-romeo-1978-116-gt-sports-sedan-history-pics.html

Will this car be Gr U?

Digressing, the historics at Sandown over the last weekend (V8s) were titled Heritage Cars. Group C & Group A including the Mike Roddy ex TWR Jaguar XJS, has me wondering if Mr Roddy would be keen to line up against the Trenoweth ex John McCormack sports sedan? Hard to deny their heritage.

[105angria]

Hi Cavvy i doubt if this car would be a group U from Peters discription this car has been lightened, turbod and other improvements,so maybe not as it was in the day very nice car with lots of history

[Steve Holmes]

Still with Jim Anderson in WA m'thinks. He took it over from Gordon.

Go Alfa for a moment:
Gordon Stephenson raced many, one of which has been recently rebuilt, originally a sports sedan for Peter Wherret, then to Gordon in WA, then to Qld & then see http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/motorsports/162256-alfa-romeo-1978-116-gt-sports-sedan-history-pics.html

Will this car be Gr U?

Digressing, the historics at Sandown over the last weekend (V8s) were titled Heritage Cars. Group C & Group A including the Mike Roddy ex TWR Jaguar XJS, has me wondering if Mr Roddy would be keen to line up against the Trenoweth ex John McCormack sports sedan? Hard to deny their heritage.

Hey Cavvy, its good to see you on here. Thanks for the info on the Monaro. And the link for the Alfa.

This is the conundrum that faces historic racing in Aus as popularity grows in historic Sports Sedans. They are genuine historic cars, and both Group C and A cars raced regularly in Sports Sedan races in the day. But obviously Sports Sedans couldn't race in Group C or A races. And the same is truw today in historic racing. In fact, I know there was that big drama over that XD/XE Falcon Group C car that Allan moffat had as a spare and ended up being built to Group C specs in 1984, but never actually raced in a Group C race. And this car isn't allowed (still to the best of my knowledge) to race with the Group C and A cars.

With there being a growth in the popularity of old Sports Sedans, but not enough cars currently to put together a full field, where do these cars go? Should they race with Group C and A cars as some have suggested? Probably the only solution that will keep most people happy is to keep working to bring together their own races.

[Gary Goulding]

Hey Cavvy, its good to see you on here. Thanks for the info on the Monaro. And the link for the Alfa.

This is the conundrum that faces historic racing in Aus as popularity grows in historic Sports Sedans. They are genuine historic cars, and both Group C and A cars raced regularly in Sports Sedan races in the day. But obviously Sports Sedans couldn't race in Group C or A races. And the same is truw today in historic racing. In fact, I know there was that big drama over that XD/XE Falcon Group C car that Allan moffat had as a spare and ended up being built to Group C specs in 1984, but never actually raced in a Group C race. And this car isn't allowed (still to the best of my knowledge) to race with the Group C and A cars.

With there being a growth in the popularity of old Sports Sedans, but not enough cars currently to put together a full field, where do these cars go? Should they race with Group C and A cars as some have suggested? Probably the only solution that will keep most people happy is to keep working to bring together their own races.

Hi
We in Qld are a little different.
We do have the Group U Sports Sedans racing with the Group A & C Vehicles.
We all have a great time & keep out of each others way.
Mark Treneweth is the quickest (But not by much).
We race for our own trophies in the same races.
All good from both camps of cars.
I have the Escort Sports Sedan that started this thread.
I went alright against some of the V8 Group C & A's this year.
I also race my Logged book Group U in the CAMS Sports Sedan state Championship in Qld.
I finished 4th with consistency.
Wayne Clift in his Group A commodore is a regular starter as well in state champ events.
Qld state champ regs allow for the combination of these vehicles.
So if you have one, then i invite you to bring it up to Qld to have a run.
Both in the State Champs or the National Historic event at Morgan Park Warwick Qld in the middle of the year.
You are all welcome & won't be turned away.
Just another point, I raced in combined Sports sedan & Group C race at lakeside in state champs event in the mid 90's.
Kevin Heffernan in the 'price attack' commodore was one of the Group C cars in those days.
Contact me for more details on events for Sports Sedans in Qld
Cheers
Gary Goulding
0438 104 231

[Gary Goulding]

Hi Guys,
Fred was the instigator of getting Group U off the ground. He did all the ground work with CAMS and had the class officially recognised in 2007. It has taken some time to get some cars that have Group U CODs in Qld.
Fred put out newsletters & has a list of names he was sending info too.
May-be somebody in VIC / WA / NSW / SA or TAS could help-out to get some interest in the class so we can have a barrow to push to some promotors apart from QLD.
We all raced under evaluation in 2009 at the Morgan Park Historic event.
Back then we had -:
Mark Treneweth : McCormack Jaguar
Fred Sayers : His own Mini Clubman
Gary Goulding : Terry Corbett's Mk1 Escort
Darren Duffield : Alan / Keith Mconnel's Mini Clubman
Brad Stratton : Gundy Hunt's Torana

Since then -: Only Mark Treneweth : McCormack Jaguar
Fred Sayers : Mini
Gary Goulding : Mk1 Escort
have got their CODs.

As stated before, You can ring Fred on Brisbane Number (07)33592623 or
Myself (Gary Goulding) (07) 33513506 or 0438 104 231.
My email is mailto:?subject=&body=

If you would like to check out NATSOFT race results on the 30/07/2011 (Morgan Park Historics) you will see the results & qualifiying of the Group U with the Groups A & C.

Hope to hear from some of you Guys.
Gary

[Steve Holmes]

Hi
We in Qld are a little different.
We do have the Group U Sports Sedans racing with the Group A & C Vehicles.
We all have a great time & keep out of each others way.
Mark Treneweth is the quickest (But not by much).
We race for our own trophies in the same races.
All good from both camps of cars.
I have the Escort Sports Sedan that started this thread.
I went alright against some of the V8 Group C & A's this year.
I also race my Logged book Group U in the CAMS Sports Sedan state Championship in Qld.
I finished 4th with consistency.
Wayne Clift in his Group A commodore is a regular starter as well in state champ events.
Qld state champ regs allow for the combination of these vehicles.
So if you have one, then i invite you to bring it up to Qld to have a run.
Both in the State Champs or the National Historic event at Morgan Park Warwick Qld in the middle of the year.
You are all welcome & won't be turned away.
Just another point, I raced in combined Sports sedan & Group C race at lakeside in state champs event in the mid 90's.
Kevin Heffernan in the 'price attack' commodore was one of the Group C cars in those days.
Contact me for more details on events for Sports Sedans in Qld
Cheers
Gary Goulding
0438 104 231

I didn't realise you guys all ran together, the Sports Sedans with Group C and A. I think this is a great idea. There just aren't enough Group C and A cars in each pocket of Australia, so makes plenty of sense. So do the Group C and A only have their own races at some of the larger events then?

[Gary Goulding]

Yes , the Group C & A have their own series during the year on the eastern coast of Australia.
They even run at an event at Buthurst (Not the big one tho)

At the Mo Queensland is the only place that all the Groups U / C & A run togethor.

[105angria]

note that Cams is putting cost of COD up to $900 from $600, must figure we are made of money!

[Gary Goulding]

Geez! They make it hard for the little guys. CAMS must think we all have pots of cash & big transporters.

[Gary Goulding]

Come on guys.
You are all welcome to bring your historic Sports Sedans to Warwick Queensland on 14th-15th July 2012.
3.1km track.
If you put in your application to CAMS Historic office (Melbourne) you can race under evaluation conditions. Even if it hasn't been approved. Your application MUST be in The CAMS office 6 weeks prior to the event.
The historic Qld race group (HRCCQ) allow a combined grid of Group A / C & U.
We all run together.
Practice available on the friday 13th (approx $80) Entry to the event will be approx $300.
Keep an eye out on the HRCC web site for entry form later in the year.
http://www.hrcc.org.au

This event will give you something to aim at or a time frame to finish off that old sports sedan.
Contact me if you what for info.
Gary Goulding
0438104231

[Gary Goulding]

Thats the CAMS (Certificate of Description (COD) application.
You will need a minimum of a CAMS PCC licence as well (approx $280) plus initial medical fees

[Steve Holmes]

This is brilliant Gary! Keep up the good work. This is how these things gather momentum. I would suggest anyone with an old Sports Sedan try and be there with their car, even if their car is only on display, as a barn find or unfinished restoration. Strength in numbers is what you need, you'll build momentum and motivation, and more cars will come out of the woodwork. Potentially, Historic Sports Sedans should be able to pull fields at least as big as combined Group C/A, as there were more cars built. But it needs people like yourself Gary to get people moving, and make it known what you're aiming to achieve.

Keep us posted.

[Steve Holmes]

Gary, have there been any developments with this?

[105angria]

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[105angria]

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[105angria]

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[bry3500]

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[kiwi285]

I am sure a lot of this business over where cars can race etc could be solved is everyone remembered that "The cars are the stars'. This is what all historic race fans want to see - the cars on track doing what they were developed to do - RACE

[bry3500]

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