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Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:43 am
by 105angria
spent some time trying to find this car last story was it rolled at Sandown and was tipped ,Ihave an email from one of the builders he said this produced more horsepower and had more torque than Moffs Mustang,

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:40 am
by Ellis
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Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:51 am
by Murray Maunder
As I recall the PDL Minis (were there one each for Clyde and Robert?) rarely ventured north. I seem to vaguely remember Robert racing at Baypark on at least one occasion and like all the PDL cars was pretty nicely turned out. I particularly loved the Watson 103 car and Collingwood's AMCO car.

Thanks to Steve and Mike Feisst for refreshing my memory of yellow peril, my favourite underdog.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:09 am
by Steve Holmes
I just took a look through the Shell Racing Annual for the '68 season, and Robert Stewart actually finished runner-up spot in the 1001cc - 1300cc class behind championship winner Angus Hyslop, and he did seem to race at every round. He won four races, and dnf'd just once. Collins raced his PDL Mini in the 0-1000cc class, finishing 3rd, but he seems to have suffered a bit from unreliability in the latter half of the season.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:47 am
by Murray Maunder
Ah, the Shell Racing Annuals. My pocket money never extended that far, Motorman was my bible of the time. Shots of exotic locations like Waimate were a glint in my eye and 40 years later got to go there when the NZ Motocross finals were there in 2008, echoes from the past with those lovely old buildings in main street.

Your idea of books on this site is a good one. I have a collection of Automobile Year (inferior I know to Autocourse for racing) from 1957 - 74 which is a treasure trove for following the fortunes of McLaren, Hulme, Amon and Ganley in that incredible era of Gps, Sports Prototypes, CanAm and Indy. But I digress. Thanks for the background on the PDL Cooper Minis Steve.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:16 am
by 105angria
sorry about the quality ,like to see this recreated

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:32 am
by pallmall
The Mini raced everywhere, and often extremely modified. Here is the Dave Gilbertson version on the dirt at Palmerston North Speedway.
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Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:29 am
by Graeme Farr
Gee what great photos. There was an interesting comment back a page or two about the PDL Mini gearboxes. I am fairly sure they had Colotti boxes from Italy. Also had Colotti pawl type LSD's which were a copy of the Jack Knight one I think. Robertson Stewart Snr reputedly picked up the gear when he was picking a Ferrari (275GT?) from the factory. Enzo was a friend of Colotti.

The gearboxes were a disaster - more problematic that the Jack Knight 5 speed used in Barry Phillips, Mary Carney and Peter Sharps 1000cc cars. PDL changed back to 4 speeds but kept the diffs which worked well. In fact when the Robert Stewart car was sold (in parts but with a new shell) the owner whos name escapes me, converted it to a road car and still used the diff.

If you look at the photos you can see the car was sometimes LHD. It had special rack with two pinions - and master cyl sets. It could be changed quite quickly for rh or lh tracks. Presumably the photo here is Bay Park as it is LHD. The Stewart car went south (Queenstown?) but seems to be lost now.

The Collins car (1000cc - Stewarts was 1300) survived a bit longer. Went to Palmerston North and maybe Wanganui then was sold to someone who rolled it at Bay Park. It was possibly reshelled but its after that it seems to have got lost too. Shame as they were great looking cars.

I also see some photos of Aussie Minis which came across - Brian Foley beat the PDL car so Stewart Snr bought his engine!

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:37 am
by Steve Holmes
105angria wrote:sorry about the quality ,like to see this recreated


Thanks Angria, thats a great article. Graham Howard always produces a top quality read.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:38 am
by Steve Holmes
pallmall wrote:The Mini raced everywhere, and often extremely modified. Here is the Dave Gilbertson version on the dirt at Palmerston North Speedway.
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And a few of my photos that were published in NZ Hot Rod.
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Gavin, the Dave Gilbertson Mini speedway car was restored a few years ago wasn't it? Amazing that it survived.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:39 am
by Steve Holmes
Graeme Farr wrote:Gee what great photos. There was an interesting comment back a page or two about the PDL Mini gearboxes. I am fairly sure they had Colotti boxes from Italy. Also had Colotti pawl type LSD's which were a copy of the Jack Knight one I think. Robertson Stewart Snr reputedly picked up the gear when he was picking a Ferrari (275GT?) from the factory. Enzo was a friend of Colotti.

The gearboxes were a disaster - more problematic that the Jack Knight 5 speed used in Barry Phillips, Mary Carney and Peter Sharps 1000cc cars. PDL changed back to 4 speeds but kept the diffs which worked well. In fact when the Robert Stewart car was sold (in parts but with a new shell) the owner whos name escapes me, converted it to a road car and still used the diff.

If you look at the photos you can see the car was sometimes LHD. It had special rack with two pinions - and master cyl sets. It could be changed quite quickly for rh or lh tracks. Presumably the photo here is Bay Park as it is LHD. The Stewart car went south (Queenstown?) but seems to be lost now.

The Collins car (1000cc - Stewarts was 1300) survived a bit longer. Went to Palmerston North and maybe Wanganui then was sold to someone who rolled it at Bay Park. It was possibly reshelled but its after that it seems to have got lost too. Shame as they were great looking cars.

I also see some photos of Aussie Minis which came across - Brian Foley beat the PDL car so Stewart Snr bought his engine!


Graeme, excellent first post, some brilliant info in there. And interesting to know what happened to these cars after their PDL duties.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:19 am
by pallmall
The Gilbertson Mini, as restored, on display at the Palmerston North Speedway 75th Anniversary.

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Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:18 am
by Steve Holmes
That was a fast car Gavin, used to smoke the V8s, especially on a mushy surface.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:11 pm
by timbo61
While you won't be able to beat Harry LeFoe's IMP, Ted Rakowski ran a very neat car in sports sedans for a few years. By memory, it was rotary powered.
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The only Imp's you see these days are in Historic Touring Car racing.
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Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:01 am
by Steve Holmes
Hey Timbo, those are great, especially the Ted Rakowski version. What a little ripper! The Imp just looks sensational with fat little wheels and flared arches.

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:20 am
by 105angria
Guy in South Australia has an old rotary imp sports sedan wants a bit for it $20k plus

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:58 am
by Steve Holmes
Is that the one posted above Angria?

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:51 am
by 105angria
Will do some research a slotcar friend of bri3500 knows the guy

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:46 pm
by Lee Tracey
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Combining both themes :)
HD 2010

Cheers
Lee

Re: Minis and Imps

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:00 pm
by Lee Tracey
Seeing as someone opened it up to Speedway minis
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From the 1971 Australian Saloon car Team that toured. Can no longer remember who this was.
Pic bought from Forest Lake Track photographer at the time.

Before there were Limited saloons in speedway Waikaraka rana class specifically for Minis.
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The #12 Riley was my favourite at the time, Fred Someone (Gavin can you remember?)
Though not always successfully ;)
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Cheers
Lee