Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
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Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
Thanks Milan,
there was a mention of his name but the writer was not sure. - note added to the post and photo.
Cheers
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there was a mention of his name but the writer was not sure. - note added to the post and photo.
Cheers
Roger
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Cosseys Farm late 1972 or in 1973 - Rex Rattenbury photos
Came across these in 2016 on NZ Rallying History page. -
Rex named some of the drivers but was not totally sure - others may know - and there is an Entry Results List out there I am sure.
Not the John Crombie Clubman his had a roof rack and was GM799 from memory.
caption on the photo was " me " -
Is it Paul Adams ??
Buggy Kevin McNamara - right way up.
Buggy Paul Swan - wrong way is up ..
Rex named some of the drivers but was not totally sure - others may know - and there is an Entry Results List out there I am sure.
Not the John Crombie Clubman his had a roof rack and was GM799 from memory.
caption on the photo was " me " -
Is it Paul Adams ??
Buggy Kevin McNamara - right way up.
Buggy Paul Swan - wrong way is up ..
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Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
Yes that's Paul AdamsRoger Dowding wrote:
Is it Paul Adams ??
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Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
I believe Paul Adams still has the 2002.
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Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
He ran it at Leadfoot not so long ago.
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Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
Not sure it's the same car as it has a different rego.Oldfart wrote:I believe Paul Adams still has the 2002.
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BMW 2002 Reg FF4077.
" Not sure it's the same car as it has a different rego.".
FF4077 still exists "
" 1970
Make: BMW
Model: BMW 2002
Colour: RED
Body Style: Saloon
Plate: FF4077
Engine No: N/A
Chassis: 1651834
CC rating: 1,990cc (2.0l)
Fuel Type: Petrol
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Rego for FP7254 is not showing.
FP Rego was 1971, my Triumph GT6 was FP4651 plate.
Note years of issue approximate as some issuers [ Post Office ] had plates still from previous years in stock, And as has been discussed recently on the VCC Facebook Page - the first issue for 1964 for cars and then the Trucks and others in July 1965 needed more plates so E and F series plates were issued in 1965.
Had a Sprite, well two of them one a 65 and one a 66 with FD Plates, both NZ new Registrations, but the GT6 had FP plate was a 1971 new Rego.
F series plates started, according to the list with FB, in 1969 - note that FA was not listed, and the F series went to 1972.
Thanks for the information Milan.
FF4077 still exists "
" 1970
Make: BMW
Model: BMW 2002
Colour: RED
Body Style: Saloon
Plate: FF4077
Engine No: N/A
Chassis: 1651834
CC rating: 1,990cc (2.0l)
Fuel Type: Petrol
"
Rego for FP7254 is not showing.
FP Rego was 1971, my Triumph GT6 was FP4651 plate.
Note years of issue approximate as some issuers [ Post Office ] had plates still from previous years in stock, And as has been discussed recently on the VCC Facebook Page - the first issue for 1964 for cars and then the Trucks and others in July 1965 needed more plates so E and F series plates were issued in 1965.
Had a Sprite, well two of them one a 65 and one a 66 with FD Plates, both NZ new Registrations, but the GT6 had FP plate was a 1971 new Rego.
F series plates started, according to the list with FB, in 1969 - note that FA was not listed, and the F series went to 1972.
Thanks for the information Milan.
Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
I think that photo is Heads Rd at Ruakaka? I believe that he had owned the car for many years, now I'm unsure if it was his original, although the memory is saying it was.Milan Fistonic wrote:Not sure it's the same car as it has a different rego.
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Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
I took the photo at the Northland Car Club's 60th Anniversary Hillclimb at Doctor's Hill.
This excerpt from a profile on Paul Adams explains when the change over to the new car took place.
This excerpt from a profile on Paul Adams explains when the change over to the new car took place.
Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
Of course Milan, Doctors Hill, I knew the exact road, just used the wrong name! Thanks.
So still a long term ownership, wrong car, as always your references are better than an old man's memory.
So still a long term ownership, wrong car, as always your references are better than an old man's memory.
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Cosseys Farm Hill Climb - 28 November 1971
Hill Climb 28 November 1971 - report with photos and results form NSCC " Club Torque ". from Milan Fistonic vast archives.
Thanks Milan for sharing.
Paul Adams and Father in Law Allan Woolf with Class wins the Vitesse now 2500 cc motor
Paul Adams in the Rallied BMW FP7254 - that is mentioned in previous posts Busy with Buggy's Millen Swann Fry and McNamara - as in the recent photos - same event ?
Results - small classes 0 - 1000, 1001 - 1300, 1301 - 1600 cc .
Bigger Saloons and Sports and Racing Cars.. [ and Buggy's ].
Thanks Milan for sharing.
Paul Adams and Father in Law Allan Woolf with Class wins the Vitesse now 2500 cc motor
Paul Adams in the Rallied BMW FP7254 - that is mentioned in previous posts Busy with Buggy's Millen Swann Fry and McNamara - as in the recent photos - same event ?
Results - small classes 0 - 1000, 1001 - 1300, 1301 - 1600 cc .
Bigger Saloons and Sports and Racing Cars.. [ and Buggy's ].
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Graeme Wells archives - NSCC Member 1940's into the 1950's
Graeme [ has been spelt Graham in this thread ] Wells was an early member of NSCC competing events in 1945 as shown in some photos already.
His son Anthony Wells contacted me with photos of Graeme with his cars and photos of other peoples at events in the early 1950's.
Some events will be NSCC and others may not be; - One looks like a Hill Climb at Muriwai on a road way up above the Beach which was used by Auckland Car Club for many years.
A couple of photos for starters.
Looking to identify the cars and drivers on some of them.
This looks like Muriwai - from other photos I have seen.
A well known car - the Ralph Watson BSA Special, which is still around - restored, Ralph competed in the car into the 1980s. Have details of Ralph's Motoring endeavors from the Trevor Sheffield book, so may be able to identify the location.
Believed to be Ivy Stephenson in her MG, she certainly was racing it in the period, before others cars including the Buckler.
The Number plates on many of the cars are the 1951 - 56 issue, which helps with the period.
The note " NSCC 1950 " - series - on the photos was just to group them
More to come on these and any notes / comments welcome.
There are over 20 photos so far - some on Graeme's cars being worked on.
His son Anthony Wells contacted me with photos of Graeme with his cars and photos of other peoples at events in the early 1950's.
Some events will be NSCC and others may not be; - One looks like a Hill Climb at Muriwai on a road way up above the Beach which was used by Auckland Car Club for many years.
A couple of photos for starters.
Looking to identify the cars and drivers on some of them.
This looks like Muriwai - from other photos I have seen.
A well known car - the Ralph Watson BSA Special, which is still around - restored, Ralph competed in the car into the 1980s. Have details of Ralph's Motoring endeavors from the Trevor Sheffield book, so may be able to identify the location.
Believed to be Ivy Stephenson in her MG, she certainly was racing it in the period, before others cars including the Buckler.
The Number plates on many of the cars are the 1951 - 56 issue, which helps with the period.
The note " NSCC 1950 " - series - on the photos was just to group them
More to come on these and any notes / comments welcome.
There are over 20 photos so far - some on Graeme's cars being worked on.
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Riley's at a Hill Climb - one a Brooklands - light colour - others Brooklands - dark
More from the Graeme Wells archives, appear to be at the same event as some pictures in the set have the 1951 - 56 plates.
Any details of Drivers / Owners and location of event would be appreciated.
More to come ;
- Some Single Seater Formula 500 - Coopers and others, a couple of Specials and a Bugatti and an Alfa Romeo.
Any details of Drivers / Owners and location of event would be appreciated.
More to come ;
- Some Single Seater Formula 500 - Coopers and others, a couple of Specials and a Bugatti and an Alfa Romeo.
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A Cooper and another Single Seater F500 style and a couple of Specials.
The Graeme Wells archives, thanks to Anthony Wells for these - a few more.
The same car;
Another Single Seater - what is it ? has its number plate
A Special - in the same place - same event ?
Another Special at a Race meeting by the looks and is that an Austin Healey beside - the beading around the cockpit tells me it is ?
This would be later in the period of the Number Plate - again 1951 - 56 plates.
The same car;
Another Single Seater - what is it ? has its number plate
A Special - in the same place - same event ?
Another Special at a Race meeting by the looks and is that an Austin Healey beside - the beading around the cockpit tells me it is ?
This would be later in the period of the Number Plate - again 1951 - 56 plates.
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Bugatti and Alfa Romeo - and a Saloon
More from the Graeme Wells archives - keeping them together.
Graeme standing beside the Bugatti - was it his ? - he was a Bentley Man. 1946 - 1951 plates
Bugatti at a Hill Climb - Ron Roycroft or who ??
Alfa Romeo P3, Ron Roycroft had one of these for a time.
A more Humble but well known Car - well the type was.
- 1956 - 1961 Plates - white on black with the " comma " " , "
Graeme standing beside the Bugatti - was it his ? - he was a Bentley Man. 1946 - 1951 plates
Bugatti at a Hill Climb - Ron Roycroft or who ??
Alfa Romeo P3, Ron Roycroft had one of these for a time.
A more Humble but well known Car - well the type was.
- 1956 - 1961 Plates - white on black with the " comma " " , "
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Riley and Riley An Engine and a 1964 on photo.
The last few photos in the set - Graeme Wells archives;
- a Riley being worked on
In the shed
An engine but what is it ??
See GregT answer in the next Post
Moving on to the 1960's - after mid 1964 the new Permanent Plates -
Background could be Western Springs where the VCC held gatherings in the late 1960's - remember going to one in 1968 where there were a few Riley's.
Details still on Carjam
Sold new in New Zealand in 1937.
" 1937
Make: RILEY
Model: KESTREL
Colour: BLACK
Body Style: Saloon
Plate: BI3798
Engine No: K6596
Chassis: SS27K6596
CC rating: 1,200cc (1.2l)
Fuel Type: Petrol "
" BI3798
Plate Type: Standard
Origin: NZ New
Used as: Private Passenger vehicle
Cause of Latest Registration: New
NZ First Registration: 27-May-1937
NZ Last Registration: 27-May-1937 "
Registration WoF details go back to 1966 - probably when the plate was issued and the last WoF showing is December 2015. That has happened with other cars on Carjam, including my now ex MX5
Good to see the plate came up - wonder where the car is now !! ??
- a Riley being worked on
In the shed
An engine but what is it ??
See GregT answer in the next Post
Moving on to the 1960's - after mid 1964 the new Permanent Plates -
Background could be Western Springs where the VCC held gatherings in the late 1960's - remember going to one in 1968 where there were a few Riley's.
Details still on Carjam
Sold new in New Zealand in 1937.
" 1937
Make: RILEY
Model: KESTREL
Colour: BLACK
Body Style: Saloon
Plate: BI3798
Engine No: K6596
Chassis: SS27K6596
CC rating: 1,200cc (1.2l)
Fuel Type: Petrol "
" BI3798
Plate Type: Standard
Origin: NZ New
Used as: Private Passenger vehicle
Cause of Latest Registration: New
NZ First Registration: 27-May-1937
NZ Last Registration: 27-May-1937 "
Registration WoF details go back to 1966 - probably when the plate was issued and the last WoF showing is December 2015. That has happened with other cars on Carjam, including my now ex MX5
Good to see the plate came up - wonder where the car is now !! ??
Re: Northern Sports Car Club - the early years.
The engine pic is a Riley with four Amal carbs - and a pair of what look like SU float chambers.
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Austin Seven a Racer with History and Pace.
Dawson Donaldson - known as Daws Donaldson had acquired the Bruce McLaren 1930's Austin Seven Ulster Sports Car by 1957.
Bruce had sold the car in August 1955 for 280 Pounds to buy the Bob Crips Standard Ford for 310 pounds, borrowing the 30 pounds he was short - according to his book " From the Cockpit ".
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Is there another owner between Bruce and Les and Dawson Donaldson ?.
Yes !!, according to the article posted here - below. The owner is not named.
By 1956 Bruce was competing in the Les McLaren Austin Healey 100. ex Seabrook Fowlds [ driven by Ross Jensen ]
Peter Donaldson his, [ Dawson's Son ] has these images and is seeking more information on the cars exploits.
He placed the images on the Bruce McLaren Tribute Facebook page.
Here a photo of Daws competing in a Hill Climb and also a typed article, which is believed to be for the NSCC Club Torque magazine of the time 1957.
The Austin Seven when Bruce had it. He used to drive the Seven to School - Seddon Tech.
Car has the 1951 - 56 Number Plates and Bruce looks very Young - would have turned 15 in August 1952 - [ the 30th ] Bruce had owned the Austin for 3 years in August 1955, so had the car as soon as he could hold a drivers licence - maybe even before - it was the 1950's.
Bruce had sold the car in August 1955 for 280 Pounds to buy the Bob Crips Standard Ford for 310 pounds, borrowing the 30 pounds he was short - according to his book " From the Cockpit ".
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Is there another owner between Bruce and Les and Dawson Donaldson ?.
Yes !!, according to the article posted here - below. The owner is not named.
By 1956 Bruce was competing in the Les McLaren Austin Healey 100. ex Seabrook Fowlds [ driven by Ross Jensen ]
Peter Donaldson his, [ Dawson's Son ] has these images and is seeking more information on the cars exploits.
He placed the images on the Bruce McLaren Tribute Facebook page.
Here a photo of Daws competing in a Hill Climb and also a typed article, which is believed to be for the NSCC Club Torque magazine of the time 1957.
The Austin Seven when Bruce had it. He used to drive the Seven to School - Seddon Tech.
Car has the 1951 - 56 Number Plates and Bruce looks very Young - would have turned 15 in August 1952 - [ the 30th ] Bruce had owned the Austin for 3 years in August 1955, so had the car as soon as he could hold a drivers licence - maybe even before - it was the 1950's.
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Summer 1978 - a busy season
January 1978 was running the Triumph GT6 and entered the " Motorsport Day " which details have appeared on this thread.
Two weeks later I had changed cars, sold the 1971 GT6 back to the Fava Brothers in Greenlane and bought the 1967 Triumph TR4A and was competing for NSCC in the AUCC Grass Gymkhana at Western Springs
- Event held in the Carpark / Sports Field in front of the Stadium entrance.
A huge entry was in attendance as shown by these results - from Milan Fistonic vast archives - Thanks Milan.
An event I has forgotten about, and would have been my first in the TR4A.
- Was quicker than Jens Fogelberg in his TR6, but not as good as the MG's - had a bad run in test 3 by the looks.
Being University types they had a complicated class structure with ;
- where the engine was - front or rear wheel drive and a wheelbase component.
Sports Cars in two classes but some in other classes ??
Two weeks later I had changed cars, sold the 1971 GT6 back to the Fava Brothers in Greenlane and bought the 1967 Triumph TR4A and was competing for NSCC in the AUCC Grass Gymkhana at Western Springs
- Event held in the Carpark / Sports Field in front of the Stadium entrance.
A huge entry was in attendance as shown by these results - from Milan Fistonic vast archives - Thanks Milan.
An event I has forgotten about, and would have been my first in the TR4A.
- Was quicker than Jens Fogelberg in his TR6, but not as good as the MG's - had a bad run in test 3 by the looks.
Being University types they had a complicated class structure with ;
- where the engine was - front or rear wheel drive and a wheelbase component.
Sports Cars in two classes but some in other classes ??
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The Gilroy McLaren Donaldson Austin Seven Ulster.
A bit more about Dawson Donaldson and the Austin Seven Ulster.Roger Dowding wrote:Dawson Donaldson - known as Daws Donaldson had acquired the Bruce McLaren 1930's Austin Seven Ulster Sports Car by 1957.
Bruce had sold the car in August 1955 for 280 Pounds to buy the Bob Crips Standard Ford for 310 pounds, borrowing the 30 pounds he was short - according to his book " From the Cockpit ".
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Is there another owner between Bruce and Les and Dawson Donaldson ?.
Yes !!, according to the article posted here - below. The owner is not named.
By 1956 Bruce was competing in the Les McLaren Austin Healey 100. ex Seabrook Fowlds [ driven by Ross Jensen ]
Peter Donaldson his, [ Dawson's Son ] has these images and is seeking more information on the cars exploits.
He placed the images on the Bruce McLaren Tribute Facebook page.
Here a photo of Daws competing in a Hill Climb and also a typed article, which is believed to be for the NSCC Club Torque magazine of the time 1957.
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The Austin Seven when Bruce had it. He used to drive the Seven to School - Seddon Tech.
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Car has the 1951 - 56 Number Plates and Bruce looks very Young - would have turned 15 in August 1952 - [ the 30th ] Bruce had owned the Austin for 3 years in August 1955, so had the car as soon as he could hold a drivers licence - maybe even before - it was the 1950's.
The car was with Herb Gilroy before Les and Bruce McLaren, according to the Vercoe books and in his book " Historic Racing Cars of New Zealand [ page 20 ] ...Dawson Donaldson later took it over but was fatally injured in the 1958 Ostrich Farm [ Road ] Hill climb ".
" Ostrich Farm Road " was an NSCC Hill Climb venue for several years - from 1957 I believe, [ as they were still using Wairamarama, Onewhero in late 1956.] until 1962 at least.
Hopefully more to come on the car. Was it ever rebuilt after the Hill Climb event in 1958 ?.