Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:41 am
Where is the TRV Tuscan in pic 117, can anyone tell me?
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SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
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Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:43 am
Yep #65 is Rodger. I think the club did very well, large fields and everyone was accommodated for - don't think many of the clubmans cars could be called classics yet races were provided for them as well - entry of just under 40 clubmans cars - not far from turning cars away as grid almost reached its allowed limit.
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:22 am
southspeed wrote:I think the Minis were purchased after the Mini Challenge Series fell over, unsure who owns them (except Scott O'Donnell owns the black one). They raced each other not the Pre65's in the same race space. Sorry I suppose I could have photoshopped them out
Look, im not trying to be a "smart ass"(though no doubt JacMac will have something to say) but has anyone down there ever been to a proper "Historic or Classic" racing meeting overseas like Philip Island, Monterey, Goodwood to see how these are actual RUN?????? Classic racing is NOT just about throwing in a left-over old tier one class just because they got no-were to race and then turning around and say HEY, fantastic event we had a LARGE classic field!! atleast Rodgers Mustang looks like it should be in there, Modern BMW Mini's and in the same race as Pre 65, what a JOKE.
Dale M
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:01 pm
I would guess that the examples quoted: Phillip Island, Monterey, and Goodwood have, by comparison with Teretonga, considerable budget sizes to play with. I have visited Goodwood several times and even as a spectator, it has priced itself out of MY realm; Monterey similarly. Goodwood in particular has a number of 'historic' entries that, to be kind, are somewhat questionable in their provenance!!
Given the somewhat more remote area and consequent, smaller fields to draw from at Teretonga, I can't find anything to criticize in the existence of less than purely HISTORIC fields.
I am sure that this is a problem faced by several smaller clubs; promotors and/or circuit owners.
Certainly, in a perfect world, mixed fields of 'moderns' and 'historics' is NOT ideal.........but the world is not perfect and if a compromise can be achieved that satisfies most competitors AND spectatotrs, then what's the harm?
Given the somewhat more remote area and consequent, smaller fields to draw from at Teretonga, I can't find anything to criticize in the existence of less than purely HISTORIC fields.
I am sure that this is a problem faced by several smaller clubs; promotors and/or circuit owners.
Certainly, in a perfect world, mixed fields of 'moderns' and 'historics' is NOT ideal.........but the world is not perfect and if a compromise can be achieved that satisfies most competitors AND spectatotrs, then what's the harm?
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:02 pm
By mixing the 2 formats, the visual image is spoiled.
Remember the reaction in the British Touring Car racing when Volvo ran a station wagon?
As a competitor in the early 90s I was not satisfied when the Porsche 911 -which is a sports car,not a saloon car- were allowed to run in Classic Saloons.
A compromise is just that, another word for bending the rules.
Remember the reaction in the British Touring Car racing when Volvo ran a station wagon?
As a competitor in the early 90s I was not satisfied when the Porsche 911 -which is a sports car,not a saloon car- were allowed to run in Classic Saloons.
A compromise is just that, another word for bending the rules.
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:13 pm
John McKechnie wrote:Where is the TRV Tuscan in pic 117, can anyone tell me?
[color="#0000FF"]Way out in front probably,
, no seriously John, dont think it raced in the Pre65 class races....probably just as well, some folk around here might complain![/color]Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:22 pm
Jac Mac- our boy who does the mobility modifications was talking to me yesterday , and said you like to get it out and mix it with everybody and anybody. Word is it can show a few F5000 the way home.
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:49 pm
southspeed wrote:Formula Libre Class - Teretonga Park - Classic Speedfest 2013 - 16th/17th Feb
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Wow! Is this the Ralt RT4 driven by Jacques Laffite in the 1982 Australian Grand Prix? I think it was owned by Bob Jane at the time. Isn't it amazing where these cars suddenly surface. Is it NZ owned or was it visiting for this event?
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:29 pm
That is the ex Laffite car as Steve stated. It is owned by Barry Leitch and has been for many years. It has been restored to race condition and looks a picture on and off the track. At the speedfest it had a problem and did not stretch its leg to its full potential. The other Ralt RT4 is owned by Garry Orton. I understand that Barry has fixed the problem with the car and both cars have been invited to appear at the opening of the new track at Cromwell over Easter weekend.
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:32 pm
22 of these Formula Alantic cars can be accounted for in New Zealand with a the chance of a series being put together for them in the future
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:33 pm
John McKechnie wrote:Jac Mac- our boy who does the mobility modifications was talking to me yesterday , and said you like to get it out and mix it with everybody and anybody. Word is it can show a few F5000 the way home.
[color="#0000FF"]That would be AB? Yes, JO is happiest at the wheel, golf perhaps being 2nd [ damned if I can see where the enjoyment is in that
], & I think they would be pretty average F5000's! Its just a reasonably sorted package, was not always that way, handled like a feral cat the first time I drove it back about 04/05, you knew it was going to bite, the question was when! Once the causes of that were removed it became a joy to drive. So many of those causes were bad design of some components & previous owner modifications done without thought ( caliper mounts that caused the caliper to twist under load & chassis tube removal that caused rear suspension bind under load are just a couple of examples, funny thing is/was the more we brought stuff back closer to TVR OE examples the better it got.... and yes there are some other areas that would benefit from similar thinking- perhaps to the tune of ~1.5 seconds a lap.... cant do that though, the knockers would not be happy!)[/color]Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:43 pm
southspeed wrote:[ATTACH=CONFIG]16845[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]16846[/ATTACH]
22 of these Formula Alantic cars can be accounted for in New Zealand with a the chance of a series being put together for them in the future
Wow, 22 cars! I'm blown away by that. Its rare to see anything more than 2 or 3 at most events. I guess the issue has been providing an event and making the effort to bring them all together at one time. But that would be quite something to see. I know Formula Atlantic/Pacific polarized people, they were either loved or hated after years of booming F5000 racing. But I always thought they were pretty cars that sounded fantastic. And they brought with them a new kind of race driver, usually younger drivers who were fearless and hugely spectacular.
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:45 pm
damned if I can see where the enjoyment is in that]
AB and I spent probably 2-3 hours talking about real early days - some would wonder what the enjoyment was in that.
Sounds like the TVR will give yours many more years of enjoyment - investigating and experimenting.
Anyway cant see you taking any notice of the knockers, wheres the fun in that?
Are you running it at Cromwell at Easter meeting at Cromwell?
What classes are they running there do you know?
AB and I spent probably 2-3 hours talking about real early days - some would wonder what the enjoyment was in that.
Sounds like the TVR will give yours many more years of enjoyment - investigating and experimenting.
Anyway cant see you taking any notice of the knockers, wheres the fun in that?
Are you running it at Cromwell at Easter meeting at Cromwell?
What classes are they running there do you know?
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:36 pm
[color="#0000FF"]I have not done much stuff on TVR or others for last couple of years, mainly due to health reasons & subsequent catch up on other stuff as a result- still catching up! Biggest impediment to further improvements is the driver & the current custodian who are somewhat averse to further attention from the 'knocker' lobby...as you suggest it doesnt worry me
Not sure whether they got an invite to the Highland Park [Cromwell] opening or not, my understanding is that its invite only & they are concentrating on cars that have past NZ racing history, I know Stewy Q's old Flathead ford special has an invite, plus the current owner of my old MK2 OSCA Cortina also, with Allan Dick as curator at the museum I guess that he would have a fairly large 'shopping list' of potential invitee's..[/color]
Not sure whether they got an invite to the Highland Park [Cromwell] opening or not, my understanding is that its invite only & they are concentrating on cars that have past NZ racing history, I know Stewy Q's old Flathead ford special has an invite, plus the current owner of my old MK2 OSCA Cortina also, with Allan Dick as curator at the museum I guess that he would have a fairly large 'shopping list' of potential invitee's..[/color]
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:24 pm
Jac-Mac- is Brian Crosbie, that well known Escort man from the early 70s .still around, and can he be contacted?
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:43 pm
John McKechnie wrote:Jac-Mac- is Brian Crosbie, that well known Escort man from the early 70s .still around, and can he be contacted?
[color="#0000FF"]Sorry, cannot help on that , suggest you contact DJMcD on this site, Donald was a regular contributor to autonews etc around that time & IIRC he penned an article on Brian & the TC Escort when he ran it in either a Silver Fern or Heatway rally.[/color]
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:52 am
Kiwiboss wrote:Look, im not trying to be a "smart ass"(though no doubt JacMac will have something to say) but has anyone down there ever been to a proper "Historic or Classic" racing meeting overseas like Philip Island, Monterey, Goodwood to see how these are actual RUN?????? Classic racing is NOT just about throwing in a left-over old tier one class just because they got no-were to race and then turning around and say HEY, fantastic event we had a LARGE classic field!! atleast Rodgers Mustang looks like it should be in there, Modern BMW Mini's and in the same race as Pre 65, what a JOKE.
Dale M
Dale are you joking?Have the Southern folk ever ran a Classic Meet?? I am a smart ass and have been to most big tracks around the world,I actually feel sorry for some of these so called Muscle car owners ,example $ 2000 spent on fuel in a couple of days ?//lower the comp. and only be a sec. slower , The Cars are the Stares, what BS,John what is the differance between a Porsche and a Mazda Rx7 to run as a saloon,why arnt the world championship winning Jags included as a Muscle car??/ .In the 90s The Southen Festival of Speed had seventeen cars from the USA plus five from Aussie plus Hong Kong ect ,only two of them went North to run ,and each year they returned to the SI and what great events they were..Wigram what well run events they were ,and to be honest I have heard more than a couple of race hardend folk saying the Denny meet was not that good to agree rather sadens me .And as far as the cars are the Stars Rays list is out on its own{only my opinion,give me an old Buckler anytime than some shiny yank tank .
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:00 am
[color="#0000FF"]And I did not have to say a word! [/color]
[/color]Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:12 am
[size=84][size=100]And neither did I, talk about arrogance!![/size][/size]
Re: SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:13 am
And while you are talking Jags, Jim, dont forget Scott Wisemans E-type was also classified as a saloon for the Mercury and other races.I thought you would have bought that to my attention as well.
Definition of a saloon car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-type, 911,RX7
Definition of a sports car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-Type, 911, RX7
And in the 70s single seaters ran with sports car.
So lets have a race meeting where we get rid of all this class rubbish- Suzukis against Supertourers .Bucklers against F5000.
After all, they all have one thing in common-they are racecars.
Definition of a saloon car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-type, 911,RX7
Definition of a sports car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-Type, 911, RX7
And in the 70s single seaters ran with sports car.
So lets have a race meeting where we get rid of all this class rubbish- Suzukis against Supertourers .Bucklers against F5000.
After all, they all have one thing in common-they are racecars.