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Blue Brick and others ..note by " Oldfart " from the start of this thread

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:28 pm
by Roger Dowding
Oldfart wrote:Well, there was a suggestion of a Buckler thread, so here goes.
It is necessary that readers remember that while I owned one “in the day” I did not actively compete, and all of what I submit is second hand.
I am very much indebted to Kelvin Brown and Bruce Sutcliffe who have been instrumental in perpetuating the appeal of the marque. Without their efforts Bucklers would have faded into oblivion in New Zealand as just “funny old cars which the old guys played with”. In the UK there is an equally prolific researcher Brian Malin and I will be pinching plenty of his stuff (with approval)

Buckler is actually very specific. It has nothing whatever to do with body styles, although the archetypal NZ Buckler 90 is clad most times with a de Joux fibreglass body. These bodies also appear on a number of other cars which are not Bucklers. In the day it was very desirable to call your Ford 10 special a Buckler, possibly like calling your Falcon GT an HO.

Buckler was a chassis and front suspension system. It’s pretty much as simple as that. They were one of the first, if not the first, manufacturers of production multi-tube frames for the masses. They were a sort of kit car manufacturer in the 50s, although of course their first chassis were produced in reasonable numbers prior to 1950.

The name comes from Derek Buckler. His base was in the area around Reading in the UK, indeed many publications refer to "Bucklers of Reading". His vision of producing a sports car began in 1945. He had well established criteria that never changed. It must be universal (be able to be used in all events from mud plug trials through to circuit racing” ;) cheap, reliable, have excellent road holding, good acceleration and be fuel efficient. Later on he realised as did almost everyone else, that designs needed to be more specialised.

He was not happy with conventional, for the time, ladder chassis. His background in the aircraft industry led him to what he called “Multi tube frames”. Whilst not a true space frame, they are close. The English produced frames were manufactured from Chrome Moly tube of 1” and 1 5/8”tube, these sizes stayed from the first until the last cars! The use of this tube has contributed to the high survival rate, and professional restorers almost inevitably comment on the high quality of construction


Just re-read this and the mention of the "Blue Brick ", here is a Graham Main photo of the car with others, looks like the Bruce Sutcliffe [ ex Ivy Stevenson ] DD2 and Ian Hallet's yellow car. date of photo not known .. but Rhys and others may know. borrowed from the Facebook page " Buckler Cars and Karts " as they borrow my photos too !! Kelvin Brown posted the photo..

Bucklers in NZ #94 Blue Brick and others Graham Main K Brown.jpg


another Pic of the Ian Hallet car I think ?? jim Short photo ..

Bucklers in NZ #72 Pukekohe 1981 Ian Hallett - Jim Short pic (3).jpg

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:09 am
by Milan Fistonic
Bruce Sutcliffe in the 'Blue Brick' at Whenuapai in 1984

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It is Blue, is it the B.... Brick ? Kelvin Brown photo's

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:12 am
by Roger Dowding
1956 at Wigram, Jim Boyd in the Buckler MK 6 behind the Allard Palm Beach with TR3 and Healey 100 close by.
Start of the Sports Car Race, Jim also ran in the Lady Wigram Trophy race

AH 100 Wigram 1956 Sports car Race K Brown .jpg


the same Buckler at Wigram in 2018

Bucklers in NZ #96 Mark 6 revisit Wigram 2018 K Brown.jpg

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:42 pm
by Oldfart
Boydie had the other (first Mark 5) not what is now known as the Blue Brick. He may have driven the brick, but owned the other. When he did the South Island tour he had the tent in the hatch in front of the screen, and wife and son with him in the car. Originally there were 2 Mk 5/6 in NZ, another brought in by Graham Brayshaw more recently. The white one is now with Mike Endean, the brick with Kelvin Brown

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:44 am
by Roger Dowding
Oldfart wrote:Boydie had the other (first Mark 5) not what is now known as the Blue Brick. He may have driven the brick, but owned the other. When he did the South Island tour he had the tent in the hatch in front of the screen, and wife and son with him in the car. Originally there were 2 Mk 5/6 in NZ, another brought in by Graham Brayshaw more recently. The white one is now with Mike Endean, the brick with Kelvin Brown


Rhys, when are you going to write a book about Bucklers, thanks for all your, as Ken H puts it, " inputs " - he has been living in the USA for too long.
You may have seen a couple of photo's posted by Bart Jonkers who has the Green /Yellow NZ Car of another Buckler at Dunedin in 1962.. Graham Woods followed up the photo's with entry lists for the car in 1962, seems to have done all the South Island meetings.

Will post them here soon ..

Another Buckler Dunedin 1962 - and other races

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:53 am
by Roger Dowding
M D Hammond from Hunterville

OOps
Bucklers in NZ #97 Buckler Dunedin 1962 crash B Jonkers archive .jpg


Bucklers in NZ #98 Buckler Dunedin 1962  no 50 B Jonkers archive .jpg


The entry list, not sure if in the right chronological order January February were very busy months, as there had already been Ardmore the GP, Levin ?? and Ohakea !! someone will assist here ?? Please

Dunedin
Bucklers in NZ #99 Dunedin 1962 entry list G Woods .jpg


Waimate
Bucklers in NZ #100 Waimate entry list 1962 G Woods .jpg


Teretonga
Bucklers in NZ #102Teretonga 1962 entry list G Woods .jpg


Wigram
Bucklers in NZ #103 Wigram 1962 Sports Car entry list G Woods .jpg

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:49 am
by Oldfart
Roger Dowding wrote:Rhys, when are you going to write a book about Bucklers, thanks for all your, as Ken H puts it, " inputs " - he has been living in the USA for too long.
You may have seen a couple of photo's posted by Bart Jonkers who has the Green /Yellow NZ Car of another Buckler at Dunedin in 1962.. Graham Woods followed up the photo's with entry lists for the car in 1962, seems to have done all the South Island meetings.

Will post them here soon ..


Kelvin Brown has already written that book! I was off work for several months after a work injury a year or two back, and Kelvin and I sorted out a spreadsheet of the ownerships, etc. I contacted a whole bunch of old Northland Car Club members from the time, and was given a lot of photos which I also passed on the Kelvin.
Yes, I communicate with Bart fairly often. I was able to help with some documentation for his efforts to get the car legal in the Netherlands.

A few comments on the entry list (last one)
The Preston car became mine in 1970 (sold in 1970), A.A Buchanan, is Andy who did lots of good things later, the Judd car is now in the UK. The Hammond car was last known with a D Judd of Wanganui, then in a road crash, believed to have been in a Wanganui car dealer with a "Clubman type body" and now not found.

Caffeine and Classics Smales Farm Auckland..Feb 2018

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:34 am
by Roger Dowding
C and C's own photos from the 5th Anniversary meeting apparently over 1300 cars and I missed it.
BMC BOY was there as was Ray Green and others ;

the Peter Benbrook's Buckler, appears here often !!

Bucklers in NZ #120 Peter Benbrook's car C and C photo .jpg

"Oldfart " this is for you - about you, and you have probably seen it ??

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:11 am
by Roger Dowding
Car Registration papers for a Buckler .. seems to be a name we all know !! Cheers

No doubt "someone "can tell us more about the car ??

Oldfart - Bucklers in NZ #121 Rego Papers G Currie A Warren  (3).jpg


A South Island car through the period -

More information;

Peter Preston raced this car in the 1960's in the South Island and I note that it was owned by an
- " Ivy Alice Preston " from 20 July 1961 to 29 July 1964.
Would have had the 1961 - 64 plates 759.025 when purchased and the permanent plates A!6477 - just issued when sold 29 July 1964.

The car currently has the plate " GHH417 " under the ownership of Mark Garmey, Mark and his father Ian Garmey [ RIP Ian recently ] have the car in excellent condition and it features in a New Zealand Classic Driver - Special Edition Magazine published in late 2021.
The story of the car in the magazine has some anomalies, if these papers are to be believed.
They were issued in 1975, and would appear to be a re-issue.

The car as featured with others in the Magazine - posted later n the thread also.

Bucklers in NZ #244 sml NZ Classic Driver magazine Special Edition Dec 2021 Bucklers in NZ (640x.jpg

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:54 am
by khyndart in CA
Rhys,
Besides your connections to Matamata and Morrinsville, I see you mentioned being at Dunsandel, where my cousin Jack Mackie lives, did you know him ? He is one of my favorite relatives.

(Ken Hyndman )

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:32 am
by Oldfart
khyndart in CA wrote:Rhys,
Besides your connections to Matamata and Morrinsville, I see you mentioned being at Dunsandel, where my cousin Jack Mackie lives, did you know him ? He is one of my favorite relatives.

(Ken Hyndman )


That was when the education department posted teachers to wherever they were needed. I was only there for a year. I may have known him, but it's a long time ago!

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:36 am
by Oldfart
Roger Dowding wrote:Car Registration papers for a Buckler .. seems to be a name we all know !! Cheers

No doubt "someone "can tell us more about the car ??

[ATTACH=CONFIG]51862[/ATTACH]

A South Island car through the period -


Well, as you can see from this I do know a bit about the car! It is now superbly restored, back to the red colour it was in it's early days. Known as 90/3 (NZ id numbers arbitrarily assigned).With the Garmey family.
From my own knowledge this proves to me that NZ "official" records are not always right as there is at least one missing owner, if not more

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:30 am
by Roger Dowding
Oldfart wrote:Well, as you can see from this I do know a bit about the car! It is now superbly restored, back to the red colour it was in it's early days. Known as 90/3 (NZ id numbers arbitrarily assigned).With the Garmey family.
From my own knowledge this proves to me that NZ "official" records are not always right as there is at least one missing owner, if not more


Rhys, Just great to have a good "old fashioned " piece of paper written by real people - the car would have had a few licence plates over time from the replaced evey few years type to a couple of " permanent " ones as mentioned on the document

Buckler 90/3 formerly owned by " Oldfart "

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:33 am
by Roger Dowding
Roger Dowding wrote:Car Registration papers for a Buckler .. seems to be a name we all know !! Cheers

No doubt "someone "can tell us more about the car ??

[ATTACH=CONFIG]51862[/ATTACH]

A South Island car through the period -


Have been contacted by " Cooper56 ", Ian and son Mark now have this car.

Here is Ian's message ;
" Buckler 90/3.

This car is in my care and is owned by my son Mark.

Mark would very much like to add these papers to the car's history file, would it be possible to obtain them from you, or at least a copy of them.
"

Oldfart, do you have a copy of the papers that Ian Garmey [ Cooper56 ] could have for his son Mark.
Have suggested that he contact you either through TRS or Facebook, on " Buckler Cars and Karts " page.

Cheers
Roger

Further Note ; Rhys did not post the papers on Fb and my notes on them says G Currie A Warren.
Have passed the information onto Ian Garmey, for Mark Garmey who Rhys is in contact with..

Buckler 90/1 formerly in NZ now in Holland

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:33 pm
by Roger Dowding
Note from Bart Jonkers regarding KA 6377.

1950s The ex New Zealand 90/1 today has passed all RDW (Dutch Road Authority) tests for roadworthyness, individual type approval and vehicle identity verification! That means that in a few days i’ll have dutch license plates and can start driving it. Exactly 6 months after arrival in NL.
For those of you who assisted in getting to this point with tech help, historic documentation, brochures showing specs and even video clips showing ‘normal’ tie rod play : a BIG Thank You!!

Barts photo

Bucklers in NZ #133 KA 7377 NZ Chassis 90 ; 1 in Holland B Jonkers photo .jpg


Other photos of the Car appear on this thread, taken at various NZ Motorsport events - This at a Sprint meeting Pukekohe 1979
Bucklers in NZ #29 David Child my TR4A background Pukekohe 1979 ; 1980's HSCRNZ archive.jpg


and this at Otaua in the mid 1980's posted before.

AHCCNZ Otaua Hill Climb 1985 - 88 #54 Buckler CCI10122015_0002 (780x671).jpg

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:16 am
by Roger Dowding
Roger Dowding wrote:Interesting stuff, thanks BMC BOY for the photos, question, who is in the Car - dark body white stripe and Roundel for the race number, the Gent has a beard, from a 1982 TACCOC sprint, ??, From memory he was quite an authority on Bucklers like Bruce Sutcliffe, and a member of the Waitemata branch of the Vintage Car Club, that ran Chelsea and other sprints / hillclimbs. ( Lyle Chambers, who had a 1930's BSA front wheel drive [ 4 wheel ] special - with a side valve Ford 10 engine in place of the four cylinder BSA, new him well. the said BSA was run at a Pukekohe sprint with owner Lyle driving and myself been given time to do a few laps too The BSA could hit about 80 mph on the back straight at Pukekohe [ pre-chicanes ] ). Also remember the Glendene Sprints, [ as pictured earlier ] where the Bucklers were and Peter Bruin's, beautiful Lotus 11 sports [ where is that car now ??].


Have found the answer to my last question - the Peter Bruin Lotus 11 is now with the Ganley family

Buckler 90/1 formerly in NZ now in Holland some more photos

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 2:15 am
by Roger Dowding
Bart Jonkers the new owner of 90/1 ex New Zealand has been out driving now his Dutch compliance and Registration is complete ; with his permission I have borrowed these two photo ;

Bucklers in NZ #136 KA 7377 NZ Chassis 90 ; 1 at a gas station B Jonkers photo .jpg


Just to prove it really is in Holland - a windmill !!

Bucklers in NZ #137 KA 7377 NZ Chassis 90 ; 1 now in Holland Dutch Rego B Jonkers photo .jpg


Bart says he took the car for a run of about 60 km's - looks like fun !!

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 8:44 pm
by Oldfart
Wait until you hear what events he really bought it to take part in!

Bruce Sutcliffe, "Mr Buckler NZ" is not too flash in the health department right now.

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 9:25 pm
by Paul B
That model is such a nice looking car! I am very envious.
I hope Bruce makes a recovery.
Regards to all
P

Re: Bucklers!

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:03 am
by Roger Dowding
Oldfart wrote:Wait until you hear what events he really bought it to take part in!

Bruce Sutcliffe, "Mr Buckler NZ" is not too flash in the health department right now.


Oldfart, I knew he was getting Special wheels made, but not what competition he was getting into.

Not good about " Mr Buckler NZ " if in touch pass on my best wishes, to him , Rhys !