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Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:50 am
by nuffield
Well I only just noticed myself as I have never seen so many photos of the Morrari in one place!

In fact, the Morrari looks to have been a 50-51 car (not 53 as I mentioned earlier) - the 'short' bonnet was actually discontinued in 1951. So it was quite a rare body really.

Of course Greg is free to do what he likes, and the yellow peril he has there looks a bit sad and needs a new lease of life. But if he wants to get it dead right... :) Mind you, tracking down the correct 1950/1 body shell would probably be harder than getting an original low light!

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:24 am
by 105angria

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:08 am
by Steve Holmes
nuffield wrote:Well I only just noticed myself as I have never seen so many photos of the Morrari in one place!

In fact, the Morrari looks to have been a 50-51 car (not 53 as I mentioned earlier) - the 'short' bonnet was actually discontinued in 1951. So it was quite a rare body really.

Of course Greg is free to do what he likes, and the yellow peril he has there looks a bit sad and needs a new lease of life. But if he wants to get it dead right... :) Mind you, tracking down the correct 1950/1 body shell would probably be harder than getting an original low light!


So the entire front end on the Morrari was actually off another car? So the bodywork is effectively from two different cars?

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:36 am
by bob homewood
Steve Holmes wrote:So the entire front end on the Morrari was actually off another car? So the bodywork is effectively from two different cars?


Its possible Steve that perhaps it was made up with panels from different sources,remember Morry panels were still sought after at that time

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:59 am
by Steve Holmes
Thanks Bob, yes that makes sense.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:22 pm
by nuffield


Thats a four door anyway, but, if you look, its got the 'long bonnet' which the Morrari didn't have. The 'long bonnet' extends right back to the gutter on the A-post, whereas on 1948-51 cars the bonnet stopped about 3" short, leaving a section of the scuttle/bulkhead exposed. This section carried a short length of the side coach line and I suppose they made the bonnet longer to cover this area as it was cheaper to manufacture.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:35 pm
by nuffield
Steve Holmes wrote:So the entire front end on the Morrari was actually off another car? So the bodywork is effectively from two different cars?


Not entirely - just the wings and grille and they could have been 'new old stock'. Remember that the 'highlight' wings were the result of a balls up at Morris where they overlooked/forgot the upcoming Californian lighting regs - this was a quick, cheap fix for export cars only so involved no important/structural panel changes. UK cars, on the same structure, stayed 'low lamp' for another year after export models were changed.

The differences are simply 3 panels - the wings (which swap over perfectly; fitting onto the same inner wing and abutting the same chrome 'hockey stick' trim around the grille) and the grille panel itself (that fits within the chrome trim). The new grille had the same number of slats but the headlamps were replaced by sidelights. The 'highlight' headlamps were actually a larger diameter too. You can switch a 'highlight' to a 'low light' (or vice-versa) quite easily - as long as its the right year. The Minor underwent a heavy facelift in 1956 when it became the Minor 1000 and actually got different wings (not so you'd notice it) and a new grille, which aren't interchangeable as on the older cars.

Was the underbonnet structure of the Morrari completely new anyway? By the looks of it, it probably lost the original chassis legs, bulkhead, inner wings etc anyway, so they could fit whatever nose onto it they wanted.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:36 pm
by bob homewood
As I said somewhere earlier on here ,something sticks in my mind about the body being shifted around to fit the wheel base ,maybe this was achieved with the sub body and mudguards,as you say nuffield

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:22 am
by Greg Stokes
Well its been a while since we have posted on here about the Morrari but after the NZ Motor Racing Festival earlier in the year and the Leadfoot Festival last weekend - we are VERY keen to actually get started on this project. Dads away at the moment and I have been busy with the NZ Hot Rod Magazine but once he is back we are going to sit down and have a talk about commencing work on the project.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:34 am
by AMCO72
Thats great to hear Greg. We will expect to see it at the Denny Hulme Festival at HD in January 013!! Something to wile away those winter evenings out in the shed. We've done all the talking on here......now it's action time.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:26 am
by rogered
was looking on trade me for an old ferrari squallo chassis, nearly as rare as a lowlight morrie :)

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:46 pm
by Steve Holmes
Greg Stokes wrote:Well its been a while since we have posted on here about the Morrari but after the NZ Motor Racing Festival earlier in the year and the Leadfoot Festival last weekend - we are VERY keen to actually get started on this project. Dads away at the moment and I have been busy with the NZ Hot Rod Magazine but once he is back we are going to sit down and have a talk about commencing work on the project.


Thats awesome to hear Greg. What a neat project this is going to be.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:39 pm
by Greg Stokes
Still trying to track down a good drawing of the Ferrari chassis. We have found cutaways and various sketches. Would be great to find a drawing that showed the entire chassis. Would also love to find photos of the inside of the Morrari too.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:25 pm
by AMCO72
Greg, I'm sure you have seen the photo of the stripped Hoare/Fow Ferrari. A good pic of the chassis. Is on page 2 of 'the other GTO' thread, posting No29. probably is a different chassis altogether but must be similar in a lot of ways.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:48 am
by Greg Stokes
Slowly been studying Ferrari chassis pics etc - would dearly love to find anymore pics on the Morrari as well so any leads are appreciated. We want to recreate this car as closely as we can in a feasible and realistic manner. Thanks

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:29 am
by pallmall
Not sure if these are any help?
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Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:02 pm
by Greg Stokes
Thanks Pallmall, those are EXCELLENT pics!

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:19 pm
by RogerH
My Taraschi Formula Junior was built in 1959 and has a ladder chassis in a similar style to the Ferrari. You are welcome to have a look at it to see how the Italians fabricated these sorts of chassis back then.

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:24 am
by Greg Stokes
RogerH wrote:My Taraschi Formula Junior was built in 1959 and has a ladder chassis in a similar style to the Ferrari. You are welcome to have a look at it to see how the Italians fabricated these sorts of chassis back then.


Thanks, we would like to meet up and view your car. Would you mind emailing your contact details to me at mailto:?subject=&body=

Re: The Morrari recreation

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:19 am
by markec
Bob H has mentioned that his memory tells him the body was moved around to fit the wheels,in post#45, that photo shows the rear wheels towards the front of the wheel arch while the front wheel looks to be toward thre rear of the wheel arch. None of the other pictures show this as clearly as the 45 posting.