The Race Replica Debate

[bry3500]

Yes bry3500, and the one in the picture is the REAL thing. I mean what is the point of all this......the replica has a bloody commercial DIESEL engine of nearly the same HP as the original 24 litre aircraft engine, and some turkey from Cummins wants to RACE against the real thing. Well you can still see and hear the REAL thing, and it is bought out on occasions to do demo laps etc, so why anyone, at vast expense, would want to build a diesel powered 'replica' is beyond me. If they had slotted in some old V12 aircraft engine in it, I could perhaps be a little more generous towards it but as far as I am concerned is just a publicity stunt for Cummins to show off some newer technology. AND, it is NOT a replica.....is it?

Agree...what IS the point ??..that one certainly got me scratching my head

[Eagle512]

This replica debate will go on for years, there are at leas 3 F5000's that have only the chassis plate as the only original part.New chassis plate can be purchased online,its not difficult to stamp them.

I've thought all along there should be an FIA registration process for "replicas", "recreations", and "resurrections". A chassis plate is not a car.

I believe FIA doesn't want anything to do with this after an expensive case involving a Ferrari parted out and then many years later resurrected as TWO with the same VIN.

Which is real?

[AMCO72]

Getting back to more mundane cars, Fords! Isnt it funny that almost all the Cortina Lotus 'replicas' are of the MK I version rather than the MK II. Perhaps the builders of these things imagined themselves 3 wheeling through some corner like Jim Clark, in a beautifully controlled drift, or was it just the fact that there might be a monetary gain down the line somewhere. And why is it that the genuine MK I usually sells for twice the figure of a MK II.....the Jim Clark thing again??? This chassis plate business is not unlike the VCC boys who find a hub-cap from a rare, long disappeared car, and set about it's rebuild, and nobody to my knowledge in the VCC has ever challenged that. As someone said on here a while ago, a lot of vintage cars aren't actually THAT old. I know that a lot of enthusiasts search for years collecting bits, then when they consider they have enough to start a rebuild, or enough of the important bits anyway, they begin. The Maserati Birdcage that we were discussing was started with a few parts-bin pieces that could have come from anywhere, and certainly couldn't be traced to any one particular car. At least with most VCC restorations there is at least 50% of car to begin a rebuild. They may not have come from the same car, but probably from the same factory, and what was able to be made 80 years ago, can certainly be remade today if $$$$$$$ are no object. And here we get back to the value of the completed article. No one, I dont think, is going to replicate a Trabant for instance, as the end result doesn't justify the expense.

[AMCO72]

Hey fellas, you had better be quick. The Custaxie II auction is underway with 'furious' bidding. Clearly it is going to sell....but to WHO ??

[Jac Mac]

You have a funny notion as to 'furious' Gerald....No sign of that '''you are within 15% of the reserve yet'' that usually pops up on T/me so that means we are still at least $5k away, probably more, find out reserve @ auction end as we have bids, or will Robbie pull the auction before time....! oh the suspense the NZ classic racing fans must be going thru.... I wonder if Angus has offered a trade on both the 1100 & victor ... time will tell....

[AMCO72]

Yes Jac Mac, 'furious' in inverted comas!!!! Now do you know, I am absolutely sure.....well nearly absolutely sure, that in the original ad which was changed, which spelt Custaxie with Z...Custazie.....that the figure of $30,000 was the ASKING price. Now it is the start of bidding price. I thought $30,000 was very reasonable figure at the time, and said so on here. Maybe it's my eyes that are playing tricks with me.....should have gone to 'Spec Savers'.!!!!!!!!!!

[Kiwiboss]

105angria, previous Festivals catered for these cars when the 'decade' system was being used, but now we have pre '78 over 3 litres, and pre '78 under 3 litres. So the Sprague car should be ok, but where the Coppins Replica goes I'm not sure...I presume it's over 3 litres, but dont see it fitting in with Dales group. There will be something, but not sure what.

Gerald(an others) the replica cars like the Coppins Zephyr do pose a problem, so this car and others(over 3L) will be in the pre 85 open saloon group, at the start i wanted all "Replica" and others modified outside T&C to race in a strickly controlled pre 78 open saloon group but i didn't get my way(sorry) and as i have enough on my plate handling the current HMC over 3L group i didn't need any further work, so pre 85 it is and it looks like some older sports sedany type cars will run in the pre 85 open group which i don't think is rite(not my choice) anyway, after Jan we will have a better idea on how it all works out, but sofar we have 24 under and over 3L cars registered for our pre 78 class and more to come so i'd say we'll get a 30 car grid and if you race a MK2 escort atleast you wont have Manon in there as he's way to modified, he'll be in the open group!! As for the Replica debate, wouldn't it be great is enough of them got together for there own "Kiwi Replica" class, now that would be worth the watch!!

Dale Mathers

[AMCO72]

Custaxie....she's up to $40,000!!!!!! Dont know who..'.ynottony' is. Not on this forum anyway.

[CUSTAXIE50]

who told you he had most of the original bits.

[CUSTAXIE50]

who was there this time

[Jac Mac]

[color="blue"]'Who told you he had most of the original bits'
'who was there this time'

[/color]I just love it when folk talk/post in half sentences, without quoting who or what they are refering to, really helps us understand what they might be on about...if anything.

[AMCO72]

Jac Mac, I thought that was just me. I was/am trying to figure out what is being said here, and indeed what it is referring to.

[Rod Grimwood]

It may refer to my post #66 at end, but still can not work it out.
Any way some one will have a fun car to play with. If only another 5 numbers in Lotto and it may have been me.

[RogerH]

Any way some one will have a fun car to play with.

As long as they don't believe they are buying the original restored car ..... there is usually a value difference between the real thing and a recreation and there may be less events where you can "play" with a recreation.

[AMCO72]

Rod, in post #66, you actually said that HE......meaning Robbie, had most of his original bits, sounded the same 'when you talked to him' etc. A clever play on words, implying that although the car may not have all it's original bits, the DRIVER certainly did. And this is a car that is inextricably linked to ONE driver.......one season etc.

[AMCO72]

'The Great Replica' countdown has begun!!!!! Will it, or wont it. Less than 60 minutes to go.

[RogerH]

'The Great Replica' countdown has begun!!!!! Will it, or wont it. Less than 60 minutes to go.

Interesting to see what the reserve is and what the unanswered questions are - wonder if they are anything to do with the recreation issue?

[AMCO72]

Roger, will we find out what the reserve is? I am not familiar with this Trade me thing. And yes I see there were unanswered questions, well in public anyway, or maybe they were just unanswered. I wonder what will happen now. Was probably valuable for testing the market for a replica/recreation, although one doesn't know how genuine those other bids were. Anyway, it COULD have sold.

[bry3500]

Roger, will we find out what the reserve is? I am not familiar with this Trade me thing. And yes I see there were unanswered questions, well in public anyway, or maybe they were just unanswered. I wonder what will happen now. Was probably valuable for testing the market for a replica/recreation, although one doesn't know how genuine those other bids were. Anyway, it COULD have sold.

Reserve was 50,000 and the 4 unanswered questions were

whats up with slow,my wife always said to me slow is best. sorry to see you are selling it. custaxie50 (0 ) 3:21 pm, Thu 1 Dec

Good luck with the sale Robbie. A brilliant car from the best car racing era in NZ. Oh to bring back the allcomers. I recall you racing at Teretonga along with many other NZ car racing legions. fantastic. That is when you could build a real race car and it didn't cost the earth. Pity my bank manager today is a pain in the butt. den11 (74 ) 8:33 am, Fri 2 Dec

Just hope she comes down south, perhaps to relive a Waimate 50 !! True nostalga. firob (69 ) 10:18 pm, Fri 2 Dec

Robbie ,mate ,hate to see you with parting with that (Bob Homewood ) hitek (120 ) 8:26 pm, Sat 3 Dec

[AMCO72]

Thanks for all that, now we can get on with living!!!!!!