Historic Sports Sedans & All-Comers . Taupo 2018 and beyond.

[John McKechnie]

You are on to it Ray...they were always called Allcomers....who introduced this term ?
It would be great to learn how this came about as there is a gradual acceptance, then 1965/66 things changed.
I dont have any real history on this.
Sounds like I may have to see my Uncle Jack again.

[Kiwiboss]

Surely, 'Allcomers' isn't in any way specific? Maybe just a race promoter's term to fill a grid with a mix of saloons conforming (or not!) to any specific sets of rules? If you like, it was probably just a saloon car equivalent of Formula Libre (or Free Formula), but excluding sports cars and single seaters?

Pretty sure the word "All-Comers" was used by track promoters way back to allow non-compliant race cars into grids were others had to conform?(NASCAR) sort of a bullshit word or excuse..............usually these cars were owned by the promoters with paid drivers to dice the field up believing they had some sort of perceive advantage.......interesting.

[John McKechnie]

no proliferation of Porsche 911s to pad out the fields like there are now

[Kevin Hirst]

no proliferation of Porsche 911s to pad out the fields like there are now

Yes, it was just a pity that the north island sector did not follow the south & form O.S.C.A. so a lot of the outlawed car's could keep racing instead of being locked in shed's or dismantled, Hindsight I guess.

[khyndart in CA]

Check this Allcomers line-up.

Rothmans National Motor Race Meeting, Feb 26th 1966

(The last two Reserves were Terry Scott and Ross Douglas from Morrinsville. )


Ken H

[Oldfart]

There you go Kev, the very next post and you are in print!

[Spgeti]

Interesting that by 1966 the majority of the Anglia’s are all running 1500 plus pre Crossflow engines. One is Zephyr powered.
Kevin Greene’s Chev Coupe is blue.

Thank Ken, it is pure gold.

Bruce

[ERC]

Interesting just how many cars then, were of British origin. No Australian cars - though maybe some were built there?

[John McKechnie]

All Cortinas and Mini Cooper S s compliant, but I thought that MSNZ was looking to FIA Group 5 for 1968
Great field of wild Zephyrs and Anglias
So Kevin.......how was your A90 eligible to race and to get points and the Cortinas and Minis not, was it your multi carb non factory set up?

[Spgeti]

All Cortinas and Mini Cooper S s compliant, but I thought that MSNZ was looking to FIA Group 5 for 1968
Great field of wild Zephyrs and Anglias
So Kevin.......how was your A90 eligible to race and to get points and the Cortinas and Minis not, was it your multi carb non factory set up?

This programme John is for February 1966....not 68.
Kevin’s A90 might have been the early version and not the 3 litre later car. Running 3 Litre. Cool cars.

[John McKechnie]

My point exactly, , so why was there this segregation in 1966, in 67 I could see the reason.

Historic Saloons-
The 1966 season saw two separate championships take place alongside one-another. With the Allcomers being the headline act, MSNZ introduced a second championship, for FIA Group 2 touring cars. Group 2 regulations were already in wide-spread use throughout the world, and used for the British Saloon Car Championship, European Touring Car Championship, numerous European national championships, and were also used as the basis for the Improved Production regulations used in the Australian Touring Car Championship. Furthermore, the Sports Car Club of America established a new sedan racing championship in 1966 which it called the Trans-American Sedan Championship, or Trans-Am, for short. The SCCA used FIA Group 2 regulations for the Trans-Am.

[khyndart in CA]

I am sorry to have opened a "can of worms" everyone.
Will I be banned from entering NZ again on Fri. 16 th with Judy ?


(Ken H)

[John McKechnie]

This is when we really miss our late David McKinney., he would have the answer to my question at his fingertips, and about Kens......................tell us the Airport and arrival time and the "lads" will be there to welcome you again, no cherries though, season has finished.
Ahhhh, so long as its not 6.45 am again

[John McKechnie]

Interesting just how many cars then, were of British origin. No Australian cars - though maybe some were built there?

The Aussies were racing their "Humpties" ,Ray
Only Aussie car here was Graeme Harveys "Golden Holden", also a Humpty.
Falcons were not seen as racing then, EH-S2, HD-X2, HR-X2 were raced over there, but not here
Some standard model Holdens were in B&H
Carlos Neate won in a Nissan Skyline GT here though
Really no Aussies till 1968- after Allcomers- Grady Thomson winning the Heatway Rally, then Glenvale 100

[John McKechnie]

Finally, I think I got it sussed, no probs if I am shown to be wrong.....

2 simultaneous championships until 1977, then became Shellsport Series.

A-So there was Allcomers being part of New Zealand Saloon Champion-

1970 Red Dawson (Ford Mustang)
Rod Coppins (Chevrolet Camaro)
1969 Paul Fahey (Ford Mustang)
1968 Roger Anderson (Mini Cooper)
1967 Robbie Francevic (Custaxie)..........Allcomer
1966 Dave Simpson (Lotus-Anglia).........Allcomer
1965 Paul Fahey (Ford Lotus-Cortina)
1964 Kerry Grant (Ford Cortina GT)
1963 Ray Archibald (Jaguar 3.8)
1962 Ray Archibald (Jaguar 3.8)
1961 Ross Jensen (Jaguar 3.8)
1960 Harold Heasley (Humber 80).

Performance Developments congratulates Paul Fahey as the winner of the National Gold Star Championship...62 points out of 70- Thanks Spagetti for this gem


B-FIA Group 2 then becoming Group 5 were in New Zealand Saloon Championship- Unlimited Class-

1970 Red Dawson (Ford Mustang)
Rod Coppins (Chevrolet Camaro)
1969 Paul Fahey (Ford Mustang)
1968 Paul Fahey (Ford Mustang)
1967 Frank Bryan (Ford Mustang)
1966 Ivan Segedin (Ford Mustang)

This from MSNZ page on discontinued race series.

[khyndart in CA]

[and about Kens......................tell us the Airport and arrival time and the "lads" will be there to welcome you again, no cherries though, season has finished.
Ahhhh, so long as its not 6.45 am again[/QUOTE]

John,
We appreciate the offer but we are getting a rental and heading off on a pretty tight schedule, weather permitting.
Thanks,
Ken

[khyndart in CA]

Interesting just how many cars then, were of British origin. No Australian cars - though maybe some were built there?

Ray,
Perhaps the Australians got discouraged after coming over in January 1960 at Ardmore.

(Ken H)

[Roger Dowding]

Check this Allcomers line-up.

Rothmans National Motor Race Meeting, Feb 26th 1966
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(The last two Reserves were Terry Scott and Ross Douglas from Morrinsville. )


Ken H

Ken, thanks for that,went to the meeting had the programme, Feb 66. Interesting that Coppins was in the Zephyr Corvette,yet a bit later in 1966 Ken Bailey drove it,the May meeting,was a small affair as a combined Motorcycle and Car meeting, after the debacle of the ACC Reverse track meeting in April .. and may I borrow the pics and put on the NSCC thread ?? - have done so already.

The Race is for 1601 cc and over all the non-eligible are the sub 1600 cars which presumably had their own race earlier !!
Tom Grace there in his Cortina - the Man from Woodhill who was a huge supporter and a stalwart of the Club in the late 60's onwards.

[John McKechnie]

also note the race distance is only 3 laps............

[Roger Dowding]

also note the race distance is only 3 laps............

Yes A lap to get going a middle lap and then hammer down to the finish ; John on the old " Full Circuit " 2.2 miles which of course was the only one then, the 1.75 mile version and related club circuit were not done until 1967.