New Zealand Historic Muscle Cars Under HRC

[Kiwiboss]

Keeping it in the family is Scott and Gareth Sampson's 70 Capri V6, featuring all the V6 performance know-how from father John the two boys will be out to see if they can beat dad at the Festival, but all in the spirit of HMC though. Scott and Gareth have joint driving duty's one each per weekend. Come out to Hampton Downs, Festival of Motor Racing, Jan 16 to 24th and watch the battle of the Capris. Once again a fully compliant HMC car with MSNZ COD.

[nzeder]

Really fully compliant? Are you 100% sure about that? I was under the impression that a Carpi was only ever factory fitted with a 4 speed manual box. Ford (UK) did not introduce a 5speed until 1982 with the release of the Sierra which is post 78 and outside the Mark I Capri production range which is 1969-1974.

[Paul Wilkinson]

Really fully compliant? Are you 100% sure about that? I was under the impression that a Carpi was only ever factory fitted with a 4 speed manual box. Ford (UK) did not introduce a 5speed until 1982 with the release of the Sierra which is post 78 and outside the Mark I Capri production range which is 1969-1974.

I think they got the 5-speed with the 2.8 injected model circa '81.

[nzeder]

I think they got the 5-speed with the 2.8 injected model circa '81.

yep that is my understanding too the Mark iii which is like comparing a 66 mustang to a 86 mustang. Sure still a mustang but different chassic, body, specs. However there are some marques of cars that did span a large era with only minor changes mainly under the skin aka Datsun 240z, 260z and US spec 280z all S30 chassic from 69-78 there are 6 different bodies I have seen in these Datsun Z cars mainly around chassis rails, tunnel, diff mounting etc minor improvements in design or safety requirements. Also a Austin/morris/rover mini is basically unchanged from 1959 to 2000 again changes for safety or under skin improvements but basically same suspension, brakes, engine configurations throughout that range.

That can't be said about the carpi a Mark iii is very different in look and specs to the mark i.

If you have a set of rules you should stick to them and not make a rule and skip it for x and enforce the rule for y.

[John McKechnie]

Yep, its like saying YB Cosworth engines were standard on all MK1 Escorts.

[cooper64]

yep that is my understanding too the Mark iii which is like comparing a 66 mustang to a 86 mustang. Sure still a mustang but different chassic, body, specs. However there are some marques of cars that did span a large era with only minor changes mainly under the skin aka Datsun 240z, 260z and US spec 280z all S30 chassic from 69-78 there are 6 different bodies I have seen in these Datsun Z cars mainly around chassis rails, tunnel, diff mounting etc minor improvements in design or safety requirements. Also a Austin/morris/rover mini is basically unchanged from 1959 to 2000 again changes for safety or under skin improvements but basically same suspension, brakes, engine configurations throughout that range.

That can't be said about the carpi a Mark iii is very different in look and specs to the mark i.

If you have a set of rules you should stick to them and not make a rule and skip it for x and enforce the rule for y.

agree with above, but the mini has about 140 different models as will, not counting south African models , from 1959 to 2000 mk1 mini is different to mk6 mini

[ERC]

Yep, its like saying YB Cosworth engines were standard on all MK1 Escorts.

...and crossflow heads were standard on 1950cc Wolseley 1500s and Minis.

We shouldn't confuse standard with period, or with legitimate run ons - if the rules allow it.

Once again, we have to be careful that an over reliance on rules doesn't overshadow the 'chocolate fish' and camaraderie. Of all the people involved in classic racing, the Sampsons would be one of the families who epitomise what it is all about. However, if you have tight rules, then you have to enforce them.

[Jac Mac]

[color="#0000FF"]Imagine how fast those Capri's would be with a HD Siamese bore block & stroker crank, they could go out close to 4.2 liters (255 cu in ) in that form, those mods seem to be quite acceptable for HMC.... wouldn't even need a fifth gear![/color]

[nzeder]

However, if you have tight rules, then you have to enforce them.

And a very good point. If done in period with proof why not. Or even if it could have been done why not (ie V8 rover into a MG Magnette could have been done so why not today?)

Having said why not a YB into an Escort? It just needs to be classified correctly 86 vintage engine so if under T&C rules cars needs to be classified as 86 era and rules applied if T&C is your guide/rules.

Now this is why ERC series works well as the handicaps are used as the performance leveler.

If you have rules and are trying to enforce them I tip my hat to you but then enforce them and not one set for X and another set for Y. But I see we are not alone in NZ with these issues it is an issue in all forms of motorsport it seems. Always has been and always will be, as it was as it should be

[Frosty5]

Hi HMC & HSC racers, only 8 more sleeps before Hampton Downs starts shaking again. As I have not received any COD's from you I assume you all have one and will be bringing it to the Festival. Assumption can be a risky thing however, the register we are building will eventually have every HMC & HSC COD held in it. As indicated in my Auditors report I will collect yours at the Festival, scan it and courier it back to you - guaranteed. Also ensure it has the RED MSNZ stamp on each page, if not your COD is not valid. Please make yourself known to me so we can put faces to names and discuss where you are at - car and COD wise.
Cheers
Dave Graham
MSNZ COD Auditor
Licence # 23013

[John McKechnie]

Dave- you have already previously made a copy of my COD, do you still need me to bring it out anyway?

[Frosty5]

Dave- you have already previously made a copy of my COD, do you still need me to bring it out anyway?

Hi John, as long as there are no variations to your car from when you submitted your COD then you're cool. I shall take it as read that your COD and car is kosha.

Cheers Dave

[John McKechnie]

Dave- I have changed a tandem master cylinder to twin single cylinders- how much of a spanner in the works is this?
Tyres are now Hoosiers.

[Frosty5]

Dave- I have changed a tandem master cylinder to twin single cylinders- how much of a spanner in the works is this?
Tyres are now Hoosiers.

John, have PM'd you

[Kiwiboss]

HMC Invercargill racer Colin Dawson shipped his 68 Camaro up to Tauranga earlier in the week for some minor work, he’s hot keen to be at the Festival and will be his first time at this track. Since purchasing the Ex Allingham Camaro which was already HMC compliant, he has since removed the 427 big block engine and fitted a Roy MacDonald built all iron 377 SB engine making about 630HP, and Jerico 4 speed gear box, still retains its 12 bolt diff but just had a tru trac fitted. See ex speedway/sports sedan racer Colin Dawson pedal this Camaro around Hampton for the first time on January 16th to the 25th.

[John McKechnie]

Thats one neat piece of kit that the car travels in.

[kiwi285]

That is a grouse looking car Colin and will be interesting to see it on track with the rest of the class.

[crunch]

Hi John, as long as there are no variations to your car from when you submitted your COD then you're cool. I shall take it as read that your COD and car is kosha.

Cheers Dave

You must have your COD with you at all times. It is like a logbook and a Licence.

[Steve Holmes]

That Camaro looks great!

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks to Media77 for this awesome piece of incar video inside Steve Elliott's '68 Camaro HMC car, which was out testing this weekend at Hampton Downs for the first time with its new motor and gearbox. Steve's enjoying the extra neddies! Sounds wicked, don't you think!

[video=youtube;Yq14JpKAjwc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq14JpKAjwc[/video]