Noise

[Grant Ellwood]

And now we have not enough noise- the Oz F1 race was rightly criticized for the pathetic sound of the new V6 turbos. My better half comments I make more noise in the shower.

[AMCO72]

Australian GP organisers claim their contract may have been breached because the F1 cars were not loud enough.

Quieter cars detract from the 'sexiness' of the race, and Melbourne didn't get what it paid for.

They commented that they sounded like 'harpsichords in a chamber orchestra' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill Brown]

Isn't noise an interesting subject.
I was President of the South Canterbury Car Club when we had to spend large sums of money fighting a 3 year battle to get a resource consent. The 2 main issues were noise and Usage.

Firstly the noise clause in the motorsport manual is seriously flawed and Crunch it is not how it was originally printed because the height and angle of the meter has been deleted at some stage.

Here are the flaws in the rule as I see them:

1. There is no height or angle for the meter origanly it was 1.5m high and angled at 15 Degrees.
2. It does not say whether the 95dba is L10 or Lmax one refers to 10 percent of the time and one is for spikes.
3. To have no consideration for weaher conditions allows readings to be taken in high wind conditions which wrong, even Timaru's
strict consent allows for maximum wind speeds, 5metres per sec from memory.
Motorsport has only succeeded in policing this rule by hiding behind the Judge of fact senario, because the rule as it is, is not right.
Some expert advice is needed to put a policable rule in place.

[GD66]

True Bill, but you need to put the expert in place yourselves, otherwise THEY will install one which is not what you want.
There are so many variables in sound measurement that you can really only get a mean average reading anyway, and the installed expert should take these variables into account when making his analyses.
I rather like the idea of the measurement of sound being taken at the perimeter fence, rather than trackside. The dragstrip here in Perth was built into a V in the ground, so that the sound travels upward, rather than cross-country.

[bry3500]

The quiet gutteral hiss of the F1's trackside was deeply disappointing - the Shannons historic demonstration was more exciting ( and twice as loud)

[Jac Mac]

True Bill, but you need to put the expert in place yourselves, otherwise THEY will install one which is not what you want.
There are so many variables in sound measurement that you can really only get a mean average reading anyway, and the installed expert should take these variables into account when making his analyses.
[color="#0000FF"](((((((([/color]I rather like the idea of the measurement of sound being taken at the perimeter fence, rather than trackside. The dragstrip here in Perth was built into a V in the ground, so that the sound travels upward, rather than cross-country.[color="#0000FF"]))))
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[color="#0000FF"]Stock car tracks enjoy a similar benefit ( albeit on a smaller scale ) from the spectator embankments and usual 'wall' around the track.[/color]

[Michael Clark]

I was at Melbourne with a fellow TRSer and a mutual friend who tried to have us believe that the new sound of F1 was more "responsible"

It wasn't great - but as a confirmed tragic, it didn't deter my enjoyment too much - and I will go back for more, possibly even in 12 months time.

[Rod Grimwood]

Not about noise but similar, Back on the PC brigade, rumour has it that the drift boys can not go to Pukekohe for final round because ONE, yes ONE neighbour complained about the 'Smoke' so that's that. Bit of a bonus in some ways as they will run at Mt Smart for last champ round and get a crowd closer to city.

But 'said' neighbour was apparently made pretty good offer, but still would not budge, (for one day the miserable piece of----) this is what is stuffing a lot of things up, ONE arse*^&% stuffs it for hundreds or thousands of others and they get away with it. Its time a stand was made and they were told to pull their head in as they are only ONE.

Also mutters about track to fast and now dangerous with no run off areas, (concrete walls) so could be a bonus to some car owners as less damage and that's got to be good. So maybe a favour done in some ways by the 'ONE'

[ERC]

Probably the same person who complained about the noise... The one who inherited his house?

[RacerT]

ban lawnmowers - Len Brown should issue one sheep to each household, then we could eat it for Christmas!
Sheep are very quiet and tasty!

[ERC]

Or in Remmers, goats, Pukekohe cows as they have more land, then we can swap BBQ invites - but you'd better not create any smoke!

[RacerT]

Mmmmm yes smoke and excrement - maybe a lawnmower is less pollution, especially if Loosehead Len issued hand mowers!

[nzeder]

hand mowers - next we will have to race flintstone style and the crowd better not cheer or there will be trouble.

[crunch]

thank crunch, when will the enquiry results be published. Oh anything I read anywhere or am told is suspect unless proven otherwise.
still like to see msnz or ANY of the powers that be publish the results of noise tests, or,m the way I think says they did not happen.

Hi 928, just a follow up.

As a result of the Pukekohe noise issues, the following has been done by the circuit in conjunction with a "noise consultant" ..(think my 2 year old could do that job!) and with the appropriate council representation. The point of measuring has been moved to the back straight about 50m from the hairpin, and the appropriate number of metres back. There are two alternate positions, but they look as though they are only a few metres apart on the diagram.
This fits within the current rersource etc. consents for the venue. There was a very lukewarm response to the suggestions of aligning with the NZ Standards suggestions by the parties concerned.
The above is NOT to be considered an OFFICIAL report from MSNZ, but as an information only personal response

[928]

Hi Crunch,
thanks for reporting the results.
It still seems as if motorsport is getting the rough end of the stick. Who am I to complain, just another walk away ex race professional who is concerned about standards that are not being properly applied and no one seems to care.

[928]

just renewing this thread to get the tulloch camaro thread back on track

[928]

It would seem to me that democracy is dead in NZ when a few can stop the pleasure of many by lodging a noise complaint. Someone needs to remind len brown that a lot of rate payers pay good money to watch speedway at the spring and he and his cronies look after a few complaining people who must have bought their up on the hill homes knowing that people raced cars at the springs. prior use should be the starting point for any complaint.
the same applies to all race tracks in nz. noise should only be measured at the boundary and noted. some tracks in the uk have levels of 106 Db for test days I think Mallory has reopened with a 105Db limit and in nz we have a 95 Db stupidity. come on manz do some thing or get of the pot and let a person who is interested in motorsport try,remember, without motorsport you lot do not have jobs

[Jac Mac]

[color="#0000CD"]I wonder if this should be approached at government level rather than via local bodies and as you suggest with readings being taken at venue boundary as a 'blanket' rule for all fixed motorsport venues.[/color]

[928]

not just motorsport but all venues where the public has paid to attend rugby, concerts, just a couple that come to mind

[Bryan]

not just motorsport but all venues where the public has paid to attend rugby, concerts, just a couple that come to mind

Auckland Council noise rules for stadiums, including Western Springs and Eden Park http://unitaryplan.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Images/Printable%20PDFs%20-%20September/Part%203%20-%20Rules/Chapter%20K/Auckland%20wide/1.10%20sports%20and%20showgrounds.pdf