NEW CLASS / SERIES; Historic Sports Sedans. formation meeting.20/04/13 ACC

[Shoreboy57]

Could not have been expressed better George.

Indeed

[CUSTAXIE50]

Well Custaxie50 its too late. We can all see your passion for this car, especially by your handle and your earlier experiences with it. But the problem is it has already been built and built by the guy that raced it. Think about it, if another one was built, no matter how close to the original one when compared between the two of them this one would come out as the favorite for the sheer fact that it was built by our boy Robbie. We all know by now it is not bolt for bolt, rivet for rivet exactly the same as the original, but for the vast majority especially on this site the differences are just not big enough! As a racer my concern would be that its performance had been improved, but it hasn't. Its not a perfect world but just look on here what has been written. The fact that it was built by Robbie and that the differences are not enough in the vast majority's eyes and the fact that we now have a close enough replica of what we all loved and thought was such a great car is enough. the only travesty here is that it has now been changed from the car that Robbie built. It seems to be lost to its new owner that people don't care if it cant keep up with the latest Trans am car. They want to see it for how it was! A historic race car cant be a historic race car with the latest brakes or whatever. We applaud your passion Custaxie50 but we have a replacement car and it needs to be left as built by Robbie and brought out for all the fans to see, after all what is the point of having a replica if its never going to be seen.

We could go on all day about this car George,say someone built up Robbies fairlane that he raced,and later on Robbie turned up with one he had built up,how would we get on about having this car out there George.

[John McKechnie]

As George said-COD......#409 -Well all he has to do is get a COD and he can run.

[CUSTAXIE50]

As George said-COD......#409 -Well all he has to do is get a COD and he can run.

Which car are you talking about the custaxie or the fairlane.

[Steve Holmes]

The Fairlane no longer exists.

[CUSTAXIE50]

The Fairlane no longer exists.

Yes i know the fairlane no longer exists its in the same boat as the original custaxie,i was just putting a view across if someone built up a fairlane and Robbie came along with one with his name on it where would the first build stand.

[Jac Mac]

[color="#0000FF"]This is where the COD becomes a can of worms...for instance, lets say I decided to build a copy of the Fairlane for example, just because I felt like it. To ensure that I was 'first' I would have to apply for the COD in advance ( if indeed that is possible ). Then MSNZ would at least be aware of my intentions. OR what if Robbie or the original owner/builder was to 'hear' of that & decide to do so themselves, & were able to do so at a pace faster than I, who gets priority then?

I could use the same scenario on my old cars where I know that some later parts have been used, doesnt worry me a bit, but others that look at it often comment how different it is now from when it raced in its time, but its got a COD, so who is wrong?

As I said, its all a big can of worms & only a revenue gathering exercise for MSNZ, or a conspired value increase tool for those that insist on having it.[/color]

[928]

well i suppose you could start your own series as seems to happen just for you and custaxie and copies

[CUSTAXIE50]

[color="#0000FF"]This is where the COD becomes a can of worms...for instance, lets say I decided to build a copy of the Fairlane for example, just because I felt like it. To ensure that I was 'first' I would have to apply for the COD in advance ( if indeed that is possible ). Then MSNZ would at least be aware of my intentions. OR what if Robbie or the original owner/builder was to 'hear' of that & decide to do so themselves, & were able to do so at a pace faster than I, who gets priority then?

I could use the same scenario on my old cars where I know that some later parts have been used, doesnt worry me a bit, but others that look at it often comment how different it is now from when it raced in its time, but its got a COD, so who is wrong?

As I said, its all a big can of worms & only a revenue gathering exercise for MSNZ, or a conspired value increase tool for those that insist on having it.[/color]

I would say if you got all the paper work and the bull shit that may come with this to them first, it would go to you they may say you have a set time to do this.

[Rod Grimwood]

I would say if you got all the paper work and the bull shit that may come with this to them first, it would go to you they may say you have a set time to do this.

We are wandering of in tangents gents. There is enough groups/class's that we can all go and have a bit of fun. Get the paper work that's needed (not really agreed as needed, but this has been going on for years with MSNZ) get the car to specs, (this sounds easy with what I can figure, brakes) and get out and have some fun driving it and give the motorsport public something to watch and appreciate.
They sure loved the few that were at Hampton the other week. I heard some young fellows who were looking at the cars mention to the tune of, "these are awesome mean machines" when the boys went out to play. That's what its about, fun for you and the people.

I loved watching and listening to the 'Custaxie' at Hampton a couple of years back, it was awesome, as the song says 'History repeats'

[Shoreboy57]

We are wandering of in tangents gents. There is enough groups/class's that we can all go and have a bit of fun. Get the paper work that's needed (not really agreed as needed, but this has been going on for years with MSNZ) get the car to specs, (this sounds easy with what I can figure, brakes) and get out and have some fun driving it and give the motorsport public something to watch and appreciate.
They sure loved the few that were at Hampton the other week. I heard some young fellows who were looking at the cars mention to the tune of, "these are awesome mean machines" when the boys went out to play. That's what its about, fun for you and the people.

I loved watching and listening to the 'Custaxie' at Hampton a couple of years back, it was awesome, as the song says 'History repeats'

Couldn't agree more Rod, a shame to see thread on this exciting new series at risk of being hijacked by discussion that has had more than enough oxygen. After all George's efforts and first up ACC meet, I would much rather be talking of how the class can grow, encouraging & supporting.Glass is more than half full thanks to George and friends.

[CUSTAXIE50]

Couldn't agree more Rod, a shame to see thread on this exciting new series at risk of being hijacked by discussion that has had more than enough oxygen. After all George's efforts and first up ACC meet, I would much rather be talking of how the class can grow, encouraging & supporting.Glass is more than half full thanks to George and friends.

You dont know what you are talking about,no one is hijacking anything.Go and have a look at what george put up #417,Jac Mac was only asking if he was first to start a build thats all.I take my hat off to what George and others have done to get this new class up and running and wish them all the best.

[George Sheweiry]

well guys perhaps I can waylay a few of your concerns here. Anyone who wants to run in NZHSS will need to obtain a set of our rules before they do anything. They will then see all the requirements not just the COD for vehicles to be able to run in the class. CODs for this class will have to be based on a period between 62 & 88 that the vehicle was raced in. Then once the COD is obtained it and the car will be checked by the 3 old wise men on the committee (who have been around a year or 3) who will use phrases you don't often hear nowdays like "common sense" and "If its fair" and so if it all adds up they will be invited to join the club and participate in the racing. So Basically I guess you guys are going to have to have a little faith in us, but to be fair we haven't done too bad so far. So get your cars, genuine or reps to the track and have some fun with all the rest of us because its just going to be great!!!

[Jac Mac]

[color="#0000FF"]George, you have explained away my concerns much better than I was able to try in my post, I was concerned that the COD was going to become the governing guideline so to speak. But with a system like the 3 wise men things should be much clearer to all. Only other point I can see is the possibility of several versions of the same car- for example multiple DJR Mustangs as at your first meeting( yes I realise they were not all competing)- but will that type of multiples of any one car be allowed to continue to compete in the future.[/color]

[Jizim]

Hey Biscuit..... Come over and look at my new project...And pick up your Sidchrome badge for your Overalls. Will make a pot of tea. Catch up on some goss and solve the worries of the world......Hurry!

[Jizim]

Hey Biscuit..... Come over and look at my new project...And pick up your Sidchrome badge for your Overalls. Will make a pot of tea. Catch up on some goss and solve the worries of the world......Hurry! Regards, Tony Rutherford.

[Rod Grimwood]

Pot of tea, yea right. You got any TUI badges as well

[George Sheweiry]

Well Jac Mac with the example of the 2 DJR mustangs if you look back to the photo of the JPS car back in Aus you will see the white car there as well because he had 2, so there is only 1 replica of each car but yes there will only be allowed 1 replica of any car and that will be on a first come basis. Being a Ford nut I would love to see a rep of the Clyde Collins Cortina, Boss 302 engine and all !!!

[George Sheweiry]

By the way, anybody planning a replica to run in NZHSS needs to get in touch with us, the manz COD dept and put it on this forum to make sure there aren't any double ups and to help clarify the build. Common sense really! whoops there's that saying again, Doubt if any Twistys would know what it means. lol

[CUSTAXIE50]

Well Jac Mac with the example of the 2 DJR mustangs if you look back to the photo of the JPS car back in Aus you will see the white car there as well because he had 2, so there is only 1 replica of each car but yes there will only be allowed 1 replica of any car and that will be on a first come basis. Being a Ford nut I would love to see a rep of the Clyde Collins Cortina, Boss 302 engine and all !!!

What about Robert Bartleys mk3 cortina,i understand it is in someones shed anyone know.