NEW CLASS / SERIES; Historic Sports Sedans. formation meeting.20/04/13 ACC

[Steve Holmes]

I can see the discussion regarding the Jaguar owned by Mike John as above could quickly escalate, and get out of control, so I'm going to say right now I don't want any further discussion posted on The Roaring Season about the originality of this car.

Race cars, by their very nature, in order to remain competitive, evolve. They suffer accident damage, and later in life, when they're no longer competitive and their values plummet, they often suffer neglect. So its extremely rare any old race car remains completely intact, retaining every piece it was fitted with in period. The amount of originality a car retains varies from car to car, and every person has their own opinion on what makes a car original, or otherwise. There is probably no right or wrong answer, just different opinions, and by arguing the fact on here will achieve nothing other than cause argument for the sake of causing argument. And at the end of it all, nothing will be achieved other than everyone disagreeing.

[John McKechnie]

Hi George- Can we have an update on the track and date of the proposed first meeting.I want to be there in Sept, and prefer it didnt clash with HMC Ice breaker. Also this post needs a bump back to the top again.

[Hart1598]

Couldnt agree more. Dont allow ANY modern modifications, otherwise the door will be kicked open and you will just end up with a bunch of fast modern spec old-looking cars. I loved the days of the Crowe Starlet, Huxford Capri, Algie Charger and that wild Alfa driven from the back seat. Make the cars stay with period spec as they then has an historical value. They were/are plenty fast enough anyway.
Agree with the cut-off of pre-IMSA space frame.
Good luck; will help in any way I can

Cars should be as they ran in the day, no sequential gear boxes, no carbon or Kevlar panels. if the car doesn't fit race with GT1 other wise we will just be another group of modified saloons

[CUSTAXIE50]

Hi George, give me a bell sometime as I have a fair bit of info on most of the cars you are looking for, especially old OSCA cars.
Good luck with the class I know it will take up plenty of hours. It has been mentioned by others and some are against but what we found worked for our 40th anniversary meeting was to simply let any car that had ever raced at least one OSCA event in but with a committee of 3 to decide on eligibilty. The only thin we were looking for was an obvious performance upgrade that didnt exost back in its day such as putting a 750hp 14 degree crate engine in when said car only ran approx 500hp 23degree head engine.
As long as it looks like the car from a certain period let it in or as you are rightly doing give them a chance then see where things need to be tidied up.
Handicap racing will be advantageous as at the end of the day you are putting on a show for the spectators and its those spectators who will keep the class wanted by car clubs by coming to the tracks...just like all sport sedan classes over the years (possibly not OSCA) the guy that brings the fastest car wins and the rest soon leave the car in the shed...or start another class. Puke's straight aint as quick anymore.

Was probably harder for us down here but after nearly 2 years of planning we only ended up with 7 cars I think from a supposedly 17 confirmed or at least thought they would make it. Keep on them and keep them keen!!!

Cheers Munty

What OSCA cars do you know of that are parked up somewhere and have been for years,that could be put out there again.

[George Sheweiry]

I am pleased to announce confirmation of the induction of the Historic Sports Sedans into the Auckland Car Clubs Summer Series. This has given us the platform to launch this new class and bring out all those neat old race cars that were the only class that the race fans would stand up for!! The support and enthusiasm for HSS has been overwhelming and I am told long overdue. The ACC has now confirmed the dates for the summer series that will be 3 rounds at Puke and 3 rounds at Hampton downs with the first round being at HD 8th september 2013 through to round six Puke 30th March 2014. Each meeting will be 1 day events with 6 laps practice in the morning followed by 3 x 6 lap races through the day. Entry fees will be around the $200.00 mark. There will be an emphasis on driving standards and no biffing or bashing will be tolerated in this class as these cars are now valuable collectable historic race cars and are part of NZs racing heritage. Along with a good number of restored original cars not seen by the public for many years there will be some invited cars that are not necessarily to the proposed rules of this new class but are similar in looks that will also be competing on the day to help us bolster the numbers and show the ACC that their acceptance of our fledgling class is well founded. I have been told that if we have the numbers there is a good chance that we could be included in the HD festival of speed in january. There will be a meeting held at the ACC club rooms 10am the following Saturday (14th September) to finalise a set of rules/ guidelines for this new class. People interested in coming to this need to read the valuable comments and input from would be competitors and fans on the blog on, The Roaring Season, in General discusion headed "New Class Historic Sports Sedans" as the talk on there pretty much sums up the general direction the club should follow. I have put a lot of time and effort into getting this going so I would like from you names of potential competitors with cars that would fit this class as we need numbers to make this a success, so please email me with any info. mailto:?subject=&body= . There will be an article about the class in Petrolhead magazine and hopefully Classic Car magazine. Also I have been invited by the Aucland Car club to have the Sidchrome mustang as one of their display cars at the CRC Speedshow so I will have a blurb sheet available for the public on the new class with the dates for the races as well. I would like to extend a big thankyou to all those who have plegged to attend the first meeting as this will be the start that gives us some credability and show that we mean buisness!!

Competitors who have given their word to be at the first round so far are:

George Sheweiry 69 Boss Mustang Ford366 Gurney Weslake
Graham Addis 72 Charger Chev366 Moran
Bob Homewood 72 Escort Ford BDG Cosworth
Barry Algie 69 Monaro Chev302 Bartz
Gordon Burr 74 Alfetta Chev 302 Milidon
71 Cologne Capri Ford 4500 GAA Cosworth
Paul McCarthy 69 Zakspeed Escort Ford BDG Cosworth
Bruce Thompson 69 Coppins Firebird Chev302 Traco
Tony Antonovich 69 Marwood Z28 Camaro Chev350
Roger Davis 77 Torana Chev350
Adrian Dobbe 69 W Grey Viva Holden 202
Dennis Running 77 Wills RX8 Chev366
Glenn Gordon Datsun 1200 SSS
Tony Boyden 69 Coppins Camaro 350
David Thompson 69 Jim & Ross Stone Escort
John Telford Mossman Mazda Chev
Clive Sheweiry 85 DJR 302 replica

Competitors yet to confirm:

Angus Fogg Amco Mini
Mal Clark Rover V8 3500
Skidmark Parsons Triumph TR8
Niel Tolich 64 Segedin Mustang
John Learmonth 77 Chev Monza 350
Roger Townshend Capri RS2600

other possibles;

Graham Barnes 69 Bulivant Capri Chev
Brian Roycroft Datsun 1200 coupe
Kelvin Brae 69 Escort
Tony Mann Victor chev
Gary Wilkinson Zakspeed grp5 Escort
John Abbott 69 Nazer Escort
Rayden Smith Richards TC Escort

race dates;
08-09-13 HD
06-10-13 Puke
10-11-13 HD
08-12-13 Puke
02-03-14 HD
30-03-14 Puke

[Frosty5]

How mouth watering is the above. Well done George.

[John McKechnie]

George - great to confirm the dates. So the next date to meet at the Auckland Car Club is Saturday 6 July to formalize the rules / guidelines?

[George Sheweiry]

George - great to confirm the dates. So the next date to meet at the Auckland Car Club is Saturday 6 July to formalize the rules / guidelines?

As it said the Saturday after the 1st race meet that will make it 14th September. So John This is a meeting you definitely need to attend, after all this class has been created for cars like your own and wont it be fantastic to see the Bunce /Thomson Monaro caning around the track amongst all the other awesome machinery!! I will try to slip in behind you and learn the quick way around the track if I can keep up that is!! I personally am hoping to see the Fahey FVA Escort out there as I never saw it run with Foohey driving it especially lifting that front wheel off the track hard in a corner---the sound of the engine through those twin side suckers---YEAH BABY. I have had a quick check up on your monaro blog and its good to see you are hard into that car and doing it right. I cant wait for this class to get under way especially if all my old mates like Tony Rutherford, Rod Grimwood, Poppa Smurf Windelburn and his boys, John leafmoth, Barry Search, Graham Parkes, Ralf Mossman, Harold Wooten, Bruce Mannon, Gary Deepthroat, Clive Gott, Wayne Huxford and yes maybe if he could wangle his medical the mighty Jim Short as I virtually class them as family because every Baypark Easter, xmas and labour weekend as well as the Puke rounds I spent with them instead of my own extended family not to mention all those wonderful and hugely competitive South Island boys who would come up for the North South clash--- man they were great days and yet here we are about to live all that again Christ can things get any better????

[CUSTAXIE50]

I am pleased to announce confirmation of the induction of the Historic Sports Sedans into the Auckland Car Clubs Summer Series. This has given us the platform to launch this new class and bring out all those neat old race cars that were the only class that the race fans would stand up for!! The support and enthusiasm for HSS has been overwhelming and I am told long overdue. The ACC has now confirmed the dates for the summer series that will be 3 rounds at Puke and 3 rounds at Hampton downs with the first round being at HD 8th september 2013 through to round six Puke 30th March 2014. Each meeting will be 1 day events with 6 laps practice in the morning followed by 3 x 6 lap races through the day. Entry fees will be around the $200.00 mark. There will be an emphasis on driving standards and no biffing or bashing will be tolerated in this class as these cars are now valuable collectable historic race cars and are part of NZs racing heritage. Along with a good number of restored original cars not seen by the public for many years there will be some invited cars that are not necessarily to the proposed rules of this new class but are similar in looks that will also be competing on the day to help us bolster the numbers and show the ACC that their acceptance of our fledgling class is well founded. I have been told that if we have the numbers there is a good chance that we could be included in the HD festival of speed in january. There will be a meeting held at the ACC club rooms 10am the following Saturday (14th September) to finalise a set of rules/ guidelines for this new class. People interested in coming to this need to read the valuable comments and input from would be competitors and fans on the blog on, The Roaring Season, in General discusion headed "New Class Historic Sports Sedans" as the talk on there pretty much sums up the general direction the club should follow. I have put a lot of time and effort into getting this going so I would like from you names of potential competitors with cars that would fit this class as we need numbers to make this a success, so please email me with any info. mailto:?subject=&body= . There will be an article about the class in Petrolhead magazine and hopefully Classic Car magazine. Also I have been invited by the Aucland Car club to have the Sidchrome mustang as one of their display cars at the CRC Speedshow so I will have a blurb sheet available for the public on the new class with the dates for the races as well. I would like to extend a big thankyou to all those who have plegged to attend the first meeting as this will be the start that gives us some credability and show that we mean buisness!!

Competitors who have given their word to be at the first round so far are:

George Sheweiry 69 Boss Mustang Ford366 Gurney Weslake
Graham Addis 72 Charger Chev366 Moran
Bob Homewood 72 Escort Ford BDG Cosworth
Barry Algie 69 Monaro Chev302 Bartz
Gordon Burr 74 Alfetta Chev 302 Milidon
71 Cologne Capri Ford 4500 GAA Cosworth
Paul McCarthy 69 Zakspeed Escort Ford BDG Cosworth
Bruce Thompson 69 Coppins Firebird Chev302 Traco
Tony Antonovich 69 Marwood Z28 Camaro Chev350
Roger Davis 77 Torana Chev350
Adrian Dobbe 69 W Grey Viva Holden 202
Dennis Running 77 Wills RX8 Chev366
Glenn Gordon Datsun 1200 SSS
Tony Boyden 69 Coppins Camaro 350
David Thompson 69 Jim & Ross Stone Escort
John Telford Mossman Mazda Chev
Clive Sheweiry 85 DJR 302 replica

Competitors yet to confirm:

Angus Fogg Amco Mini
Mal Clark Rover V8 3500
Skidmark Parsons Triumph TR8
Niel Tolich 64 Segedin Mustang
John Learmonth 77 Chev Monza 350
Roger Townshend Capri RS2600

other possibles;

Graham Barnes 69 Bulivant Capri Chev
Brian Roycroft Datsun 1200 coupe
Kelvin Brae 69 Escort
Tony Mann Victor chev
Gary Wilkinson Zakspeed grp5 Escort
John Abbott 69 Nazer Escort
Rayden Smith Richards TC Escort

race dates;
08-09-13 HD
06-10-13 Puke
10-11-13 HD
08-12-13 Puke
02-03-13 HD
30-03-13 HD

How cool is this about time i say,John Telford mossmans mazda is that the mazda rx7 you are talking about,if so i saw this car having a run at Manfeild not that long ago, the work that has gone into this car. He is running a Nascar Dodge engine in it now and the sound it makes as it goes by,and was told he was only using 1/4 of the power it had on this day,also it has only put in about 70 laps all up.Boy when he puts the wood into it its going to take a good car to stay with him,also i would like to hear some more on Adrian Dobbe and his holden 202 viva.---2.3.14 HD.30.3.14 HD.

[George Sheweiry]

Thanks for pointing out the wrong track on 30-03-13 should read Pukekohe so I have edited it. And John Telford didn't mention he had a Late model nascar engine in it---- why would you do that??? oh well guess I will have to call him again and check on that. Bugger--- might be one off that list. Thanks for the heads up Custaxie50

[George Sheweiry]

By the way Custaxie50 Adrian Dobbe has the ex Warwick Grey Viva (HB) its silver in colour as last run by Warwick and in fact I think the car may have been a Brabham Torana. It had some pretty trick kit in it like a Detroit locker and a special HDT close ratio gearbox and I believe the engine was also a Holden racing special XU1 type. It was pretty bloody quick!!

[Oldfart]

Thanks for pointing out the wrong track on 30-03-13 should read Pukekohe so I have edited it. And John Telford didn't mention he had a Late model nascar engine in it---- why would you do that??? oh well guess I will have to call him again and check on that. Bugger--- might be one off that list. Thanks for the heads up Custaxie50

Hi George, presume those March dates are next year! 2014

[kiwi285]

You are a champ George. Some mouthwatering cars in that line up. I would also like to see and hear the FVA Escort in action again along with the Cologne Capri that is being worked on in Christchurch.

[George Sheweiry]

Proof reading never was my strong point!!! I have altered it. Thanks oldfart

[Oldfart]

Proof reading never was my strong point!!! I have altered it. Thanks oldfart

Who cares about your English skills? Keep bringing out these neat old cars and all will be forgiven. Are you sure that your cuzzy Benbrook hasn't got something hidden away. Then again you want it in the next couple of years, not decades!!

[George Sheweiry]

Hey kiwi285 now that is one car of fooheys that I did hear, that high pitched sound of the Cosworth GAA at full noise and was there at the flying farewell at puke his last race when he got on the grass on the outside coming down the front straight and got airborne over a pile of earth that strangely had been left in the middle of the grass strip. Quite lucky it didn't turn out worse than that really.

[John McKechnie]

George-I will be at the 8 Sept meeting- helping Barry and Bruce- also the following Saturday.
And BTW have not been around Puke since 1994.

[George Sheweiry]

Well oldfart my cuzzy Peter B just may be drafted in to run the Comet and perhaps my daughter Brittany in the Metro GpA Falcon and young George in the Tranzam Camaro and Alan Boyle in the Falcon Cobra as that is all I have going at the moment If by 3 days to go before the event there isn't the required 10 entries cause people who have given their word that they will run don't front then I will put those cars in as I have given my word to the car club and no one is going to f--- me over. So have no fear I have put my name to this class and the first meeting. IT WILL HAPPEN. Sorry to be staunch about it but I have seen the scenario before. But when you have got an arsenal of 28 cars in your garage then you can back up what you've opened your gob to. But hey ya never know they might just all front up. Like they say, when the flag drops the bullshit stops!!!!

[George Sheweiry]

That's Great John, Barry certainly needs some of your awesome enthusiasm to get his arse moving, lets face it there is only 10 weeks to go till the first race. He needs to get cracking Now!!

[Oldfart]

That bloody guest pilot Pete B! He doesn't need all those unfinished projects, just show up and drive