SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga

[Dave Silcock]

Amco, I suggest you keep quiet about stuff of which you know nothing. The Country Gents movement was actually the brain child of one Harland Baker who at the time owned Huka Lodge. The first meeting was a sprint held on the road into the lodge. Harland and Allan Bramwell were mates and Bramwell decided this was a good thing as at that time the was nowhere you could run a classic or motor cycle or even a Porsche or Ferrari other than the odd one make club meetings. The Club was made up of friends of Bramwell's and the two gentlmen you mentioned were but just two of many. To give you some idea of the make up ; the two Bain brothers, Ewen Sarggison, Leon Witty, Bill Clark, Willis Brown, myself and a few more. A fair mix I would say and certainly not silver spoon as you are trying to infer. The first meeting in mid 1970's I think, was held at Ruapuna and a proper rental was paid. When this was denied to us by the actions of MSNZ, or whatever it was then, we were invited to Wigram. The Air force provided the man power and took the gate takings, which they then donated to charity. We ,the club never advertised the event as we had no interest in wether people came to watch or not the Air Force did all that. The events were fully financed by the competitors entry fees. It was so easy to do, estimate the likely numbers, get quotes for the marque and the catering, alcohol etc and divde that figure by the number of entries and that was the fee. We ran these hugely popular events untill 1995 despite MSNZ best efforts to shut us down. After this Bramwell decided to retire and there did not seem to be the will to carry on. I resigned some time after this as for no particular reason nothing was happening. And no it had nothing to do with the fatality we had.

[AMCO72]

Thanks Dave......I knew I would get shot down by someone who was there and would set the record straight.

[southspeed]

Jac-Mac (as requested)

Even on a bad day - way out in front.

Bit gun shy to post any more from the 2013 meeting - sorry my pre65 photo caused such a clash on the forum!!!

[Steve Holmes]

No way! Keep them coming, I'm really enjoying them. The fact is, people have different opinions on what should or shouldn't be accepted at historic race meetings, or indeed what actually constitutes a historic race meeting. There is probably no right or wrong answer to this, just different opinions.

[southspeed]

OK will sort some out later - racing cars class and the Sports Cars class with the dreaded TVR still to come. Not sure about posting the clubmans class - are they allowed at a classic meeting?????????????????

[Jac Mac]

OK will sort some out later - racing cars class and the Sports Cars class with the dreaded TVR still to come. Not sure about posting the clubmans class - are they allowed at a classic meeting?????????????????

[color="#0000FF"]I started the thread...its fine with me, after all the clubman guys will probably become the classic/hysteric racers of the future, why not give em a bit of encouragement with a few pics, their class was oversubscribed from what I hear, some competitors had to wait until some other cars dropped out with problems before they could get a race start.[/color]

[grelley]

Southspeed,did you you get any photos of the Mustang P51 flyover. Also some photos of the Historic Touring cars?

[fullnoise68]

I think the Teretonga meeting is a club meeting, not a "Classic Meeting" but with a Classic Theme. Perhaps if Dale Mathers is so concerned about the type of entries at Teretonga he could organise a large group of HMC cars to visit the South Island. Interisland travel is possible. Ask the South Islanders who travel to HD each year. I am sure the race promoters would be very pleased to have them.

Shit it doesn`t take much for the claws to come out! What you guys don`t seem to get it is that HMC is not anti South Island, we are trying to establish a group of `period correct' muscle cars that can run at Classic or Historic meetings, wherever they may be held, not only for the enjoyment of the drivers, but also for the punters, who if judging by the interest in the HMC cars at the Denny Hulme Festival, are very keen on what we are doing. When we get Rodger Cunningham coming all the way from Invercargill up to HD with his Mustang, it seems that he also `gets' what we are trying to do . Who knows within the next couple of years we could very well all come down to one or two of the southern tracks which would be good, but can we at least get up and running first, and not get shafted by self serving promoters, other events date clashes, and probably most of all, the tall poppy syndicate. Then you may have some more videos and photos of southern meetings which I thought this thread was about!

[southspeed]

Southspeed,did you you get any photos of the Mustang P51 flyover. Also some photos of the Historic Touring cars?

yes and yes - have yet to post both

[DJMcD]

Jac-Mac- is Brian Crosbie, that well known Escort man from the early 70s .still around, and can he be contacted?

I think BJ Crosbie resides in Christchurch son Shane is still around Teretonga, saw him at Evolution Motorsport Classic meeting.

[John McKechnie]

DJMcD- thanks for this bit of info, a very good man there is now following this up for me.

[southspeed]

The Cadillac of the Sky - P-51 Mustang fighter plane - Pilot Robert Borrius- Broek and passenger Stephen Grellet (co-pilot) provide the lunchtime entertainment on Sunday. Both were drivers/competitors in the Jesco Historic Touring Car class at Teretonga over the weekend. Sundays programme was altered to accommodate this flyby. Below are photos of them both on track and several of them over the track.

[Grant Ellwood]

Did Robert Broek race a Cosworth YB (2 litre) Formula Pacific in the mid 90s? It would have been the period when Pacifics were added to the back of the Formula Holden field if it is the guy I'm thinking of.

[kiwi285]

Jac-Mac (as requested)
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Even on a bad day - way out in front.

Bit gun shy to post any more from the 2013 meeting - sorry my pre65 photo caused such a clash on the forum!!!

Hi,

Have sent you a PM

Cheers Mike

[Kiwiboss]

I think the Teretonga meeting is a club meeting, not a "Classic Meeting" but with a Classic Theme. Perhaps if Dale Mathers is so concerned about the type of entries at Teretonga he could organise a large group of HMC cars to visit the South Island. Interisland travel is possible. Ask the South Islanders who travel to HD each year. I am sure the race promoters would be very pleased to have them.

Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way. If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”.

Back to historic racing, i would really luv to see a proper Historic Saloon group down south at a proper classic race meetings so we could bring our HMC cars to race, this would be a great spectate and Roger(Cunninghame) has started the ball rolling by making his Mustang MSNZ T&C/HMC legal so please you guys down there with common sense, get in behind and support him, but not with modern ring-ins no matter how small the field, it would soon grow.

Dale M

[Dave Silcock]

Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way. If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”.

Back to historic racing, i would really luv to see a proper Historic Saloon group down south at a proper classic race meetings so we could bring our HMC cars to race, this would be a great spectate and Roger(Cunninghame) has started the ball rolling by making his Mustang MSNZ T&C/HMC legal so please you guys down there with common sense, get in behind and support him, but not with modern ring-ins no matter how small the field, it would soon grow.

Dale M

Dale, I think you are begining to show signs of delusions of granduer. What makes you think that unless we join up to your idea, we are not classic racers? It may surprise you to know that not every one worships at the agriculturely built American V8 [don't they all sound the same] so called muscle car? I would be hard pressed to go to a meeting that was dominated by such badly built vehicles. Now show me a Colonge Cari or a 635 BMW or the ex Fahey FVA Escort and I'll line up at dawn. I saw a 30 CSL BMW Bat Mobile in Malaysia once and spent nearly an hour just looking at it. If I came across any old Mustang would I not be looking at a Falcon and with the same apalling level of engineering? You are starting to remind me of the great Smoky Yunich who once famously said that Indianapolis shoul d be restricted to American drivers, engines and cars. Can't have foriegners coming over and make us look stupid can we? It may interest you to know, and given my advancing years, I may be wrong, But in the almost 20 years we ran Country Gents I don't think we ever had an American car compete and we had to turn entrants away every year. In fact you V8 people remind me quite a lot of Harley people, long on image and very short on engineering excellence.

[Russ Noble]

Thank you Grelley, someone has finally got it? a “Club Meeting” but advertised as a “Classic Event”, this seems to be the South Island way.If they would only promote it like that then there would be no argument, all types of vehicles racing each other, not a problem “A CLUB MEETING/EVENT”

Yep, and since it is a South Island meeting, all the South Islanders who are drivers, spectators or organisers, know what they are getting and by far the majority are happy and keep coming back. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet! The North Islanders also know what they are getting and some choose to partake and some don't. What's so wrong with that?

[jim short]

Any more abuse from you South Island folk and us North Island gents will go down to Wellington and cut the power cable and see how you get on then

[Steve Holmes]

Dale, I think you are begining to show signs of delusions of granduer. What makes you think that unless we join up to your idea, we are not classic racers? It may surprise you to know that not every one worships at the agriculturely built American V8 [don't they all sound the same] so called muscle car? I would be hard pressed to go to a meeting that was dominated by such badly built vehicles. Now show me a Colonge Cari or a 635 BMW or the ex Fahey FVA Escort and I'll line up at dawn. I saw a 30 CSL BMW Bat Mobile in Malaysia once and spent nearly an hour just looking at it. If I came across any old Mustang would I not be looking at a Falcon and with the same apalling level of engineering? You are starting to remind me of the great Smoky Yunich who once famously said that Indianapolis shoul d be restricted to American drivers, engines and cars. Can't have foriegners coming over and make us look stupid can we? It may interest you to know, and given my advancing years, I may be wrong, But in the almost 20 years we ran Country Gents I don't think we ever had an American car compete and we had to turn entrants away every year. In fact you V8 people remind me quite a lot of Harley people, long on image and very short on engineering excellence.

Ha ha ha, thats a great post Dave, I really enjoyed reading that! To be fair, I don't think Dale was trying to suggest there is anything superior or special about old US race cars. He was more so referring to the idea of a group of old cars all being built to the same regulations specifically to be period correct, as is seen in many countries outside of NZ. Many other countries have a standardised set of regulations to bring saloon cars together to be period correct, and using as many original parts as possible. For example, Australian Group Nc historic regulations are a set of standardised rules that are in place all over Australia. Therefore, if someone in Queensland builds a '69 Mustang, or whatever, he knows if he takes his car to a NSW or Victorian historic racing event, the other cars he lines up with will have been built to the same rules as his car. Thats all HMC is, a standardised set of regulations that people around NZ are adopting for building over 3 litre racing sedans.

[AMCO72]

Actually Jim, I think it is the other way round........they, the Mainlanders, supply power to us hungry Nth Islanders, so just put your machetti away thank you!!!!!!!!