SFOS 2013- Photos/Videos from Ruapuna/Levels/Teretonga

[Oldfart]

,give me an old Buckler anytime than some shiny yank tank .

Get your cheque book out Jim, you could buy mine!

[jim short]

No I like the one on TM,a real one

[jim short]

And while you are talking Jags, Jim, dont forget Scott Wisemans E-type was also classified as a saloon for the Mercury and other races.I thought you would have bought that to my attention as well.
Definition of a saloon car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-type, 911,RX7
Definition of a sports car -anything that has 4 wheels.E-Type, 911, RX7
And in the 70s single seaters ran with sports car.
So lets have a race meeting where we get rid of all this class rubbish- Suzukis against Supertourers .Bucklers against F5000.
After all, they all have one thing in common-they are racecars.

John the ans. is the distance between the front screen and the rear screen, a Rx7 is a quater of an inch longer than the Porsche 911, the Mazda is Ok were the Porsche fails ,I suprised myself by knowing such a tecnichal mater when at the same time didnt realize all those cars you listed could actually run together,I will put it down to a lack of interest through growing old, but thanks for helping, I will make a note so as not to forget and as a thank you will send some fresh FIGJAM just made

[AMCO72]

Boys, just lets settle down here or things will get nasty, and we dont want that do we.

When Angus and I went the Sth Island a couple of years ago, fields that we struck down there were completely different to what we raced in up here. At Teretonga, my favourite track to drive on just incidentally, we had just about everything in the under 3L 'Classic saloon race....pre 65's, BMW E30, 300 HP Escort, Mini 7, Morris 1100, Alfa Romeo 1750, Daihatsu charade, Lotus Elan, Datsun 1600...... you name it , it was there.......because the organisers didnt receive enough entries in those classes for a grid, and we were all lumped together. I know all this is a bit different from some meetings where 900HP Porsches are pitted against Minis, but hey, I certainly competed against things I would never have raced with up in the Nth Island, and this is what happens when event organisers dont have the luxury of a big entry.
Everyone behaved themselves and we had a whale of a time. Even the 300 HP Escort behaved itself!!!!! I even managed to pass the Ford round the outside of the big sweeper, and we all know what a useless driver I am!!!!! Even managed to stage a dead heat heat with the 1100.......have it on film.
You either do this amalgamation thing or you dont have a race. I think I know which choice we would all prefer. I presume you were not joking John!!!!!!!!!
Anyway the Sth Island has always been a bit different.......'viva la differance'.........

[Oldfart]

No I like the one on TM,a real one

And what do you think my one is? I hope you are not leaping to conclusions! Swing front axle, de Joux body, narrow non alloy period wheels, supercharged 100e. (and a LOT cheaper).

[John McKechnie]

Gerald- your FIGJAM never goes amiss.
Always happy to find ways to stop you getting old.
Is it a family recipe passed down from father to son in the traditional way?.
Now getting back on track, tell us about G.Fogg and his performance with the MK 4 at the concourse around 1970-according to Motorman there was FIGJAM there also.
Or do we need a new thread for that and let this thread get back to Teretonga

[jim short]

Actually prefer that Austin Sports $16000

[RacerT]

Unfortunately most people don’t seem to get it about Historic and Classic racing!

The more ‘wrong’ cars you allow in to race, the more ‘right’ cars stay away next time!
O
ver and over again you hear that the promoter has had to let in non-confirming cars because numbers are down, when in reality taking a stand may be tough the first year, but would reap benefits in the years to come.

Short term gain for the promoter, but long term deficit in the fields in the future.
Most people want a level playing field in largely the correct field of cars that gives everyone their place in the structure.

There are some people who obviously don’t care about inequality and will just race, but the majority of us are like children who quickly cry “not fair, not fair!”, and end up taking the toys away.

[jim short]

Come on Amco .things were getting a bit quite,and we didnt all have your upbringing ,and by debating against each other it is fun ,just nothing after the sun goes down or sleep is hard to find

[jim short]

Unfortunately most people don’t seem to get it about Historic and Classic racing!

The more ‘wrong’ cars you allow in to race, the more ‘right’ cars stay away next time!
O
ver and over again you hear that the promoter has had to let in non-confirming cars because numbers are down, when in reality taking a stand may be tough the first year, but would reap benefits in the years to come.

Short term gain for the promoter, but long term deficit in the fields in the future.
Most people want a level playing field in largely the correct field of cars that gives everyone their place in the structure.

There are some people who obviously don’t care about inequality and will just race, but the majority of us are like children who quickly cry “not fair, not fair!”, and end up taking the toys away.

I thank God I am not one of the majority,I love the cars and the racing and take your cars away ,even on my own I enjoy driving on a race track,,

[AMCO72]

Ok we are getting way off track here so quick replys.
John it was JIM who was offering the fig jam.....at least I THINK that was what he was offering.

Jim, I never have anything after sundown EXCEPT things that help me sleep!

Back to John......the Mk4 Jaguar at the Easter rally at Rotorua......if that is what you are referring to......won everything, concours, gymkhana, and road trial.......pure beginers luck. Ask Dave Silcock....he was there......as was Jim, and as he said they were the greatest ever JDC rallys.

Racer T.......if the promoters had been tough at that event there would have been 3 cars on the grid in the 'Classic Saloons'.....but at least I would have been guaranteed a podium. A long way to go for a 3 horse race!

Lastly Jim again........as you know I stayed at school till I was 27, so even I managed to pick up something, if only how to write rubbish on TRS.

[Kiwiboss]

Racer T.......if the promoters had been tough at that event there would have been 3 cars on the grid in the 'Classic Saloons'.....but at least I would have been guaranteed a podium. A long way to go for a 3 horse race!

What Racer T is trying to say if you guys care to listen is, that you may have 3 cars at the first event, next year 6, the following 12(as proven at overseas H&C events) and on and on and because "actual" classic racers will see this happening they will come and GUESS WHAT, you will eventually have a real "actual Classic" race meeting.

But OOOOOH no we can't have that can we!! Modern BMW Minis in a Pre 65 race, you guys have friggen got me!! Whats next? calling a SI Supertourer round a "Classic" race meeting, yeah that sounds about rite.

Dale M

[John McKechnie]

It will be interesting to see what the fields and mix of cars are like for the invitation only meeting at Cromwell next weekend

[Kwaussie]

I am sure that you & kiwiboss will find something to moan about even though you have not entered or been invited.
This often happened at the Country Gents meetings at Wigram when we had many calls from NI racers wondering why they had not received an invite & offer of starting money to attend.
Nothing has changed!

[southspeed]

Here's Gerald and Angus in mixed company at the Speedfest - Teretonga Park 2011

[jim short]

I was in Brammells office with Dave thirty years ago when some Poser who had not entered ,on seeing how many good cars had entered he decided he would enter his new Lambo? srry you are to late ,,but its a Lambo sorry not able to print yhe rest or Amco will growl me ,they took no prisners at the Country Gents in those days ,But what a Hui it was Jazz band ,hot meals all sorts. real champne,now my eyes are worn out,But well organized for real

[Kwaussie]

Classic meetings were born at Wigram.
I could not belive that all who came to the big party in the tent were greeted with a bottle of Champange.
Think I got back to the office about Tuesday!

[AMCO72]

Yes Jim I'm sure those Wigram Country Gents meetings were a HOOT. They were started by a couple of private school lads who between them owned half of Banks Peninsular and knew how to operate. They of course wanted to 'exercise' their type 35 Bugatti and Aston Martin DB3S cars legally, and of course the whole thing grew from there. They could AFFORD to be fussy. They couldnt have cared less if only they turned up. As you say, you are quite happy just being out doing skids by yourself, and so were they. Hiring the air-base was no problem as some of them had direct connections to the place.

But this has usually been the case in Motoracing.......it is the preserve of the well-to-do......usually. [bang bang.....me being shot down]

And dont talk to me about the 'After Match Function'. The feed we got served up at Teretonga was something else......real food, real southern hospitality, and they didnt try to fill you up on bloody bread rolls!!!!!!

[grelley]

I think the Teretonga meeting is a club meeting, not a "Classic Meeting" but with a Classic Theme. Perhaps if Dale Mathers is so concerned about the type of entries at Teretonga he could organise a large group of HMC cars to visit the South Island. Interisland travel is possible. Ask the South Islanders who travel to HD each year. I am sure the race promoters would be very pleased to have them.

[Jac Mac]

[color="#0000FF"]Oh well, I suppose Dale wont be coming down for any of that southern hospitality in the future, just as well, it will save me having to explain why he has to race his 'Hot Rodded' 350+ cu in Boss 302 clone in with all the other hot rods like Brendans Camaro & JO's TVR, or perhaps they might just let him race with those pesky BMW minis......................... Now back to the pics from the meeting which I started this thread for, southspeed, have you got any pics from the rear of the TVR, that should at least make Dale feel comfortable as its the view he usually see's of it! [/color]