Lost Race Cars

bob homewood · Post by **bob homewood** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:21 am

Its possible that it would have had the "Lancia based 2 litre engine in it ,I took one similar out of the Wilmac and put it in Rhubarb 3 for Ross Monk when he brought Rhubarb 3 off me,Glen McIntyre had also owned the Wilmac previously,now theres another Lost race car,the Wilmac it disappeared, after I traded it off Ross on my car and what was left of it after the engine swap,the chassis ,body etc was brought by a chap in Otahuhu

Kirsty G · Post by **Kirsty G** » Sun May 13, 2012 11:10 pm

Andy G wrote:yes and yes woody He still has the Lotus it has about 45k miles and totally original. He also still got the Rorstan Sports. Not sure how many years he has had them but Im 33 and Teds had them longer than Ive been around! In fact Ive only been for a ride in the Cortina once!

Andy, Dad bought the Rorstan in 1978 from Danie Lupp. He's the second owner of the Lotus and got that in 1967 (I think). I can remember Mum taking it to the MOT place in Green Island a couple of times in the early 80's but you were probably too little to remember

Kirsty G · Post by **Kirsty G** » Sun May 13, 2012 11:25 pm

markec wrote:Cooper T53
"F2-8-60" A new car built late in 1960 but using the identity of one of the 1960 works F1 cars. Tommy Atkins (UK) 1961 for Bruce McLaren in Intercontinental - Bruce McLaren (UK) 1961 for 1962 New Zealand and Australian Internationals - David McKay (Australia) 1962 for Australian Gold Star - Bill Thomason (New Zealand) 1963 for New Zealand Gold Star - Feo Stanton and Ian Rorison (NZ) 1964 or 1965 and rebuilt as Rorstan Sports with 2.7-litre Climax ... Danie Lupp (NZ) 1970 ... Bob Moore (NZ) with 4.5-litre Oldsmobile and then 2-litre Vauxhall Victor ... Kerry Pennell (NZ) - Ted Giles (NZ) by late 1980's: retained 2001 still in Rorstan Sports specification. Ted Giles (NZ) 2001
Copied out of"oldracecars.com"

Hi there. I'm Ted Giles' daughter / Andy's sister. The info on oldracecars.com isn't entirely correct about the Rorstan. Ted bought it in 1978 directly from Danie Lupp. I'm in the UK and stumbled upon that post on oldracecars.com earlier today and have contacted the website owner to see if it can be corrected. None of us know where the Bob Moore/Kerry Pennell connection came from orginially but this information appeared in the 'Historic Racing Cars of NZ book in the early 1990's and keeps popping up on the internet in regard to the Cooper F2-5-60 / Cooper T53 F2-8-60 cars. Ted raced the car throughout the South Island as the Rorstan Sports in club events and the Dunedin and Queenstown Road Races throughout the 80's/90's alongside a variety of Escorts (Often Mum's road cars!), Anglias etc. I have some photos which I will post when I can. If anyone has any info about the car in it's Cooper form or when it was being built, we would love to have that. regards, Kirsty Giles

jim short · Post by **jim short** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:54 am

Sorry to corect you folks but Bob Moore Whakatane had the car after Dannie as Markec stated .he had the v8 in it then the rules changed to 2 ltr.Bob did a season in it then Charlie Conway onsold it{it sat in Charleys yard for a short time}

bob homewood · Post by **bob homewood** » Mon May 14, 2012 6:09 am

That would be right Jim I used to talk regularly to Bob Moore when he owned it

jim short · Post by **jim short** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:11 am

Thanks Bob ,we see each other every now and then he is still a very keen motorsport man

David McKinney · Post by **David McKinney** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:17 am

Bob Moore raced it with Olds V8 then 2-litre Vauxhall, for the last time in 1977, IIRC. He could have sold it back to Danie Lupp in time for Ted Giles to buy it in 1978

jim short · Post by **jim short** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:50 pm

Rubish there is no other word bob was and is still a good friend and David you way out

conrod · Post by **conrod** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:29 am

changing up a gear to the 1980's, does anyone know what became of this car?

A Ford Sierra/Merkur XR4Ti, it was first raced in NZ at the 1986 Wellington street race by Andy Rouse and David Oxton ( DNF - crash)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA6VqI1-MVg

and then bought by Mark Petch and raced by Dave Oxton, Francevic (Bathurst) etc. It seems to have disappeared, and MP does not remember where it went after his ownership. It was not the car that was converted into a Thundersaloon (the BP one) driven by Francevic, that car was an Eggenberger and LHD. The car above is a RHD. It may well have been converted into an RS500, or another Sports Sedan/Thundersaloon, but that is only speculation on my part.

I would really like to know its whereabouts if anyone can shed any light on it.

Conrad Timms

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:59 am

Yes I'd be interested to know what happened to that car too conrod. That was a Ford UK works car, built and raced by Rouse, and it won the 1985 BTCC before being bought (I think) by Ford NZ. Whats slightly mystifying is the massive difference in performance/reliability between its UK and NZ showings. In Britain, it missed the opening round, but then won 9 of the 11 remaining races in the 1985 BTCC, backed by one second place, and a single dnf. In NZ it really struggled. It took pole at the 1986 Wellington street race, but retired early. It never seemed to live up to its potential.

I wondered too if it became a Sports Sedan of some kind.

conrod · Post by **conrod** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:29 am

Hi Steve,

I think it had very little competition in the 1985 BTCC, and walked it easily. There are some youtube clips of the 1985 BTCC. IIRC Dave Brodie was the only other car that gave him a run for his money in a Mitsi Starion. In the 1986 Nissan Mobil it was up against the best of the best, and the rest of the NZ series there were some good cars too. This car is usually overlooked in favour of its big brother, the RS500, but was still a front runner in its day (albeit having a very short career once big brother came along and won everything!)

I reckon it might be lurking in a barn somewhere in NZ, although what state it might be in is anyones guess!

Conrad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMuwiR3-EtY

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:43 am

Actually, thats a really good point conrod, the competition in the BTCC that season was not strong. There were a few BMW 635s, and a few Rover Vittese's also. The only time I can find where the car went up against the best European cars was during the TT at Silverstone, where it qualified 3rd but retired on lap 8.

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:45 am

I am sure I've seen a photo somewhere of a NZ Sports Sedan that looked like it had been built from a Sierra XR4i. It had wide flared guards etc. From memory it was white at the front then multi-coloured at the rear. But I could just be hallucinating!

conrod · Post by **conrod** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:55 am

yes I also vaguely remember another Sports Sedan that was built from a Sierra, but my memory is in black and white! I think it was in Taupo or somewhere in the central NI.

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:07 am

OK, just did multiple Google searches using various phrases, and finally found a pic of the car I'd been looking for:

But the description of this car now makes me think it possibly wasn't built from a real XR4i, as its listed as being a tube-frame and fibreglass body.........unless they're talking about just the flares and front end being fibreglass. Would be interesting to know though, as not many XR4i Sierras made it to NZ as road cars, so seems an unlikely model to create a mold for and build a fibreglass body from.

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:07 am

Sorry, link with info on the above car can be found here: http://www.freewebs.com/nzsupersedans/driverprofiles.htm

rogered · Post by **rogered** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:38 am

Steve Holmes wrote:OK, just did multiple Google searches using various phrases, and finally found a pic of the car I'd been looking for:

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But the description of this car now makes me think it possibly wasn't built from a real XR4i, as its listed as being a tube-frame and fibreglass body.........unless they're talking about just the flares and front end being fibreglass. Would be interesting to know though, as not many XR4i Sierras made it to NZ as road cars, so seems an unlikely model to create a mold for and build a fibreglass body from.

Pretty sure that was home made in rotorua

conrod · Post by **conrod** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:10 am

yep thats the one. None of the parts look Gp.A to me. Would have expected centrelock wheels at the very least, these look bolted on. The look continues!

Post by **Steve Holmes** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:24 am

Yeah, there really isn't much there that looks even remotely related to the Rouse car. Thanks Roger for the background on the above posted Sports Sedan.

Powder · Post by **Powder** » Tue May 15, 2012 8:00 am

How about this one then. Glyn Whittaker at Taupo, Easter 2000.

Another couple of Sierra Cosworths were raced in the 1990's/early 2000's by Tony Stewart & Brett Stratton (with gold DJR rims). I'm not sure of the history of these cars. I can post photos if required.

Malcolm

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