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Re: Indy Roadsters

by Paul B » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:28 am

khyndart in CA wrote:It certainly was one of the most beautiful of all the roadsters.

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Jim Hurtubise in the " Travelon Trailer Special" # 56. Indianapolis. 1960


A fantastic roadster Ken, such neat looking machines, state of art engines for the day also

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:12 am

A. J. Watson was a car builder and chief mechanic from 1949 through 1984 in the Indianapolis 500, winning the race six times as a car builder. Roger Ward won 18 races driving Watson cars. (Wikipedia)
I really like this photo from 1964 showing the Watson roadster against the Watson rear engine car at the Milwaukee Raceway.
A.J. Foyt in the roadster and Roger Ward in the rear engine car. The end of an era for the roadster was on the horizon.
Watson Roadster and Watson rear engined Indy car.jpg




[video=youtube;1g2NcUCsOrA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g2NcUCsOrA[/video]


(Ken Hyndman )

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:50 am

The "Leader Card Special " Watson Champ Car in the photo above had quite a history to it as well and the Jimmy Bryan incident is recorded in photos on the web.
A conceptcarz.com summary; " In 1959 A.J. Watson built this champ dirt car for owner Ralph Wilke of Milwaukee, Wisconsin for Rodger Ward to drive. This car was the first to make a lap on the new Indy Raceway Park road course driven by Tony Bettenhausen. In April 1960 Rodger Ward drove the car to win a 100 mile at Trenton. Then Jimmy Bryan, a crew cut, cigar smoking giant dressed in Levi's and cowboy boots, drove the car at Langhorne Speedway. The car hooked a rut, leaped into the air and flipped, viciously killing Bryan. In 1964 Rodger Ward drove to 2nd in USAC National Championship. Texans Jud Larson and Johnny Rutherford drove the car in 1965 and Chuck Hulse drove in 1966. In 1967 Jim 'Herk'Hurtubise drove at Springfield only to have a wild tumbling spill, bouncing over the wall, through a catch fence and disappearing out of the track. He was scored in 5th at the time. In 1971, Snider pushed the 12 year-old car to the inaugural USAC National Dirt car title."


(Ken H)

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:02 am

With the recent passing of Rolla Volstedt it reminded me of how things happened between Rolla and A.J. Watson at the time of the 1964 Indianapolis 500. It is best described here from Oldracingcars.com.

" AJ Watson's first rear-engined car was an unashamed copy of the very quick late-1963 Vollstedt design. Rodger Ward qualified on the front row for the 1964 Indy 500 and finished in second place.
Since 1959, AJ Watson had been one part of the most successful Indycar racing team of that era. With team owner Bob Wilke and driver Rodger Ward, the "3 W's" had won the Indy 500 and the national championship in 1959 and again in 1962. But then the Lotus 29s had arrived and after seeing Jim Clark dominate the Milwaukee 200 in August in the Lotus, Ward had insisted Watson build him a rear-engined car for 1963. Although AJ Watson was the most successful builder of roadsters, his cars having already won the Indianapolis 500 six times, his skills would not necessarily transfer to the new rear-engined "funny cars". However, Watson was not the only American trying to build such a car and at an Indy tyre testing session late in 1963, Rolla Vollstedt arrived with an extremely effective car based on a Brabham design. To short-cut his project, Watson copied the Vollstedt and had two new cars ready for Indy the following April. They qualified and Vollstedt's didn't and Rolla's dismay was deepened when the Indy 500 organisers awarded Watson the 'Builder Of The Year' trophy for 'his' innovation. Years later, he handed over the trophy to a rather indignant Vollstedt.
Watson built two different versions of his new car, one with a traditional Offenhauser engine for Don Branson and one with the newly-available Ford V8 for Rodger Ward. Ward's worked best, qualifying on the front row at Indianapolis and finishing second three times that season, at Indianapolis, Milwaukee and Phoenix, but the car never actually won a race.
Both cars survived and have now been restored to the 1964 specification. "

1964 Watson Indy Car.jpg

1964 AJ Watson rear engine Indy Car # 2 at Laguna Seca on display. August 2010.
(Ken Hyndman photo )

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:52 pm

It certainly was one of the most beautiful of all the roadsters.

1960. # 56. Jim Hurtubise.jpg

Jim Hurtubise in the " Travelon Trailer Special" # 56. Indianapolis. 1960

Re: Indy Roadsters

by shane038nz » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:18 pm

stubuchanan wrote:Car 39 doesn't look like the 1960 entry - here is the Ridgewood Builders Special (from the Floyd Clymer 1960 Year Book)

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Car 39 in colour picture has turbocharger - were they used as early as 1960? And colour scheme very different.

Car 56 is indeed the "Travelon Trailer Special" in which Jim Hurtubise set the then record fastest 4-lap qualifying time 2.5 mph or 4 seconds faster than Eddie Sachs' pole position time, but Eddie's was on the first qualifying day and Jim's on the last so he was 23rd on grid.

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Not sure about the colour of the #56 car - reports at the time talk of "that purple car" and B/W photos show an off-white main colour. Perhaps an irridescent pale purple and deeper colour on the details.

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Note no air jacks, but several cars had them in 1961 including the Cooper.

Stu


It is indeed the correct colours and one of the most beautiful of all the roadsters.

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:12 pm

Last Sunday one of the most innovative builders of Indy cars, Rolla Vollstedt, passed away at the grand age of 99.

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/10/25/legendary-indy-car-builder-and-team-owner-rolla-vollstedt-dead-at-age-99/

The Vollstedt Indy cars were well built as seen in this 1965 model which was a close copy of Colin Chapman's Lotus Indy car.
Vollstedt65-2016-A-400x277.jpg


(Ken H )

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Kwaussie » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:43 am

This link is a few years ahead of what is going on but it is fun!

http://home.earthlink.net/~roygmisc1/startoffy1/startoffy1.html

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:03 am

Michael Clark wrote:You are quite right (again) Stu - 1966 #39 maroon and black - (I didn't look late enough)

In 1968 the Mallard - aka 'The Pepsi-Frito Lay Special' was the last Roadster to qualify.

The last Roadster to finish looks like 1965 and Gordie Johncock in the 'Weinberger Homes Special' Watson. He was 5th.

Of Mark's photos, #43 has me stumped.


Michael,
You probably have the correct answer now after 4 years and Stu was close. But I liked this photo to show car # 43.
A 1957 Curtis "Roy Brady Special " at the Laguna Seca "Corkscrew" corner. 2010.
vintage-monterey-historics-2007-raymond-boissoneau-1957-curtis-roy-brady.jpg


(Ken H)

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:06 am

I forgot to name these roadsters.
Indy Roadsters...jpg

# 76 is a 1962 Watson. " Weinberger Homes Special".

# 35 is a 1948 Kurtis Indy Champ Car.

# 27 is a 1952 Stevens Indy Champ Car.

# 2 is a 1959 Watson Champ Car.

Next # 2 is a 1964 Watson Indy rear engine car.

The far car is # 17 a 1961 Sines Champ Car" Bell Lines Trucking" Special.

This 2007 collection of Indy roadsters was from the Tom Malloy Collection.

https://arch.smugmug.com/Cars/Tom-Malloy-Collection/


( Ken H)

Re: Indy Roadsters

by khyndart in CA » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:35 pm

I was recently in the Los Angeles area and was reminded that during the 1950s that 80 % of the Indy roadsters were built by five car builders all within a 25 mile radius of each other and in 1958 the complete Indy 500 field of 33 cars was built by these five southern California chassis builders ; Quin Epperly, Frank Kurtis, Eddie Kuzma, Lujie Lesvosky and A.J. Watson.
These magnificent machines were built in the most modest buildings and some of these structures can still be seen today.
A.J. Watson's shop in Glendale.
AJ Watson's building.jpg


Quin Epperly Racing Shop in Gardena. Ca.
Quin Epperly building.jpg


Frank Kurtis's Kurtis Kraft building back in the day also in Glendale. Ca.
Kurtis Kraft building.jpg


Indy Roadsters...jpg

(Ken Hyndman photo. Laguna Seca 2007 )
That they produced cars like this from such humble workshops just amazes me and I think the only testing would be is when they arrived at Indianapolis a few weeks before the event. No computers or wind tunnels or much in safety equipment back then.

I think that instead of tours to see the homes of film stars in Hollywood they should have tours to see these old race shops plus Traco and Shelby etc. locations. Much more interesting in my opinion !

(Ken Hyndman )

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Michael Clark » Tue May 13, 2014 8:46 am

Sorry to say that A J Watson has passed away - 4 days after his 90th birthday.

I wonder what sort of tribute they will have at the 500 in a few weeks time.

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Rod Grimwood » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:29 pm

Michael Clark wrote:I'll pass it on Rod...

As I said in the opening post on this thread, there is something about these things...the owners were mostly nutjobs, the cars themselves were insane and the drivers - hell they must have been certifiable. Add to that the zany colour schemes and the dinosaur nature of the them, it was wacky racers in real life!



yep they are in a world of their own, and as you say about drivers being 'Certifiable' that surely would be bonus.

Re: Indy Roadsters

by 928 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:30 pm

yep great cars and great engines 4 cylinders in a properly designed engine. even the later turbo ones retained the same basic design.
you have to love them

Re: Indy Roadsters

by 928 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:30 pm

yep great cars and great engines 4cylinders in a properly designed engine. even the later turbo ones retained the same basic design.
you have to love them

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Michael Clark » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:06 pm

I'll pass it on Rod...

As I said in the opening post on this thread, there is something about these things...the owners were mostly nutjobs, the cars themselves were insane and the drivers - hell they must have been certifiable. Add to that the zany colour schemes and the dinosaur nature of the them, it was wacky racers in real life!

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:47 pm

Michael Clark wrote:Well done guys - why would anyone be surprised that on Christmas Eve, this was nailed in a matter of hours.

I would have got 12 points at best - the fact that GeeBee got Lyn St James is astonishingly good spotting.

The photo was taken a matter of a day or so ago at some Christmas function in the San Francisco 'bay area'.

Today is in fact Howden's 72nd birthday - he'll be here for the Ferrari Festival...and I suspect return the 2015 version.



As you say Michael, they nailed that quick, GeeBee in my quiz team.
aren't they neat looking cars, and seems there are a lot still around.
Amazing Howden is 72 gee times going by, he still looks like he could pull on the driver suit and go and play.

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Michael Clark » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:14 am

Well done guys - why would anyone be surprised that on Christmas Eve, this was nailed in a matter of hours.

I would have got 12 points at best - the fact that GeeBee got Lyn St James is astonishingly good spotting.

The photo was taken a matter of a day or so ago at some Christmas function in the San Francisco 'bay area'.

Today is in fact Howden's 72nd birthday - he'll be here for the Ferrari Festival...and I suspect return the 2015 version.

Re: Indy Roadsters

by RogerH » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:24 am

The Bowes Seal Fast Special originally built by Frank Kurtis in 1959 as that designer's first 'laydown engine' design. Jud Larson drove the car at Indy in 1959, finishing 29th after becoming involved in Mike Magill's lap 45 crash.

For the 1960 season, Bignotti had Quin Epperly rework the car, designing new framework, front suspension and bodywork. This new Epperly/Kurtis was assigned to twenty-five year old A. J. Foyt. Foyt qualified 16th for the 1960 Indy 500, but went out of the race in 25th place with clutch failure.

Re: Indy Roadsters

by Frosty5 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:02 am

A.J. Foyt Bowes Seal Fast Kurtis / Offy 1960 Indianapolis 500 Carousel

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