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The Zephyr - for sale !!

by Roger Dowding » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:00 am

From Graham Edney - Old Motor racing Photographs - Australia Fb page.
Cars #305 B Eldred Zephyr Graham Edney  (800x544).jpg

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:44 am

Ray Bell wrote:However, it wasn't Steve Tillett, or at least I don't think it would have been...

The story as I got it from Bronnie was that two non-Club members addressed the Club at a meeting an announced their intention to start camshaft grinding, for which they'd acquired a machine. It was they who went to the Norman household and saw Bill walking on the piano keys, and for whom Eldred retrieved a very dirty cam from the pile of rocks.

What a wonderful subject Eldred was for a story, and how good are the extra details that 'Harv' has in that thread.
That whole 15 page thread is a great read, Harv's details priceless.
"Eldred was known to keep himself awake by butting cigarettes on the back of his hand. "

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by Ray Bell » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:09 pm

However, it wasn't Steve Tillett, or at least I don't think it would have been...

The story as I got it from Bronnie was that two non-Club members addressed the Club at a meeting an announced their intention to start camshaft grinding, for which they'd acquired a machine. It was they who went to the Norman household and saw Bill walking on the piano keys, and for whom Eldred retrieved a very dirty cam from the pile of rocks.

What a wonderful subject Eldred was for a story, and how good are the extra details that 'Harv' has in that thread.

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by John McKechnie » Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:54 pm

i like the part where he nails the tablecloth to the table and his wife uses the camshaft to break rocks....just needs a bit more lift and a bit more overlap and they will never catch me

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:32 pm

[video]http://forum.fefcholden.club/index.php?topic=23061.240[/video]

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by Ray Bell » Fri May 31, 2019 3:03 pm

Bill, by the way, went on to build his own Clubman-type car much later...

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Fri May 31, 2019 3:02 am

Great info Ray, cheers.

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by Ray Bell » Thu May 30, 2019 12:30 pm

The centrepiece of the original grille was from an industrial fan...

When Eldred sold the car to Keith Rilstone, according to Keith, he said, "You'll make this car really go!" He acknowledged his own shortcomings and recognised Rilstone's abilities.

There were some handy helps came along through the racing-oriented people at Repco. Mention was made of Vanguard brakes, but that's not actually what it had. They were Holden drums with Vanguard internals to give two leading shoe operation. Repco had purchased a Raymond Mays head for study when they were preparing to build the Hi-Power head for Holdens and Keith was given that. Also, the tube which makes up the centre of the chassis was more than 6" in diameter, more like 8" or possibly 9".

When the car appeared at Port Wakefield for the first time there was a serious suggestion that it would break in half. So eldred pushed it under a truck and put a jack on that centre piece and lifted the truck.

It's also not true to say that the Holden crossmember was bolted on to the timing cover. A piece of solid steel, probably 1¼" thick, was milled out to the shape of the timing cover and a plate welded across the front of that to enclose it and to mount the crossmember. I'm sure they used bigger bolts too.

The 'Double 8' (as it was known within the Norman family) was sold after its fine performance at the AGP at Narrogin in 1951. It had two high-powered fuel pumps, by the way, to spray water over the front brakes to prevent them getting too hot. The buyer was Syd Anderson, and he raced it for several years including one trip to Singapore for the Grand Prix there. Later it deteriorated under the ownership of another Western Australian, Tony Carboni, and finished up being dismantled and destroyed.

One reason for ridding himself of this car was the mooted adoption of FIA F1 and F2. Clearly, with 7.8 litres it was not going to fit in, and those truck wheels might be a bit heavy. It was for this same reason that the supercharger was removed from the Maybach of Stan Jones, which diced for the lead with Doug Whiteford's Lago at the '51 (or was it '52?) Woodside meeting.

I don't know the fate of the double-engined Essex Norman built, but the short life of his TR2 was interesting. As noted, he took plenty of high-octane fuel to Southport for the '54 AGP, driving there on pump petrol with a decompression plate in the engine. He won a sports car race in that form, IIRC, and then removed the decompression plate and poured in the jungle juice for the best AGP performance he ever had.

Later in life he started to build a sports sedan for his son, Bill. This used a Hillman Imp shell but was space-framed and had a Rover V8. Apparently it still exists and races, though Eldred never finished it.

His money-making trips with war surplus gear were full of interest. Somewhere I have a photo of one load, 83 tons if I recall, with a low-loader carrying two Blitzes and with a trailer on behind, the whole lot packed with tyres and fuel drums, stuff not freely available in Australia at the time but not in short supply at all in New Guinea with the departure of the forces.

Nancy and their daughter, Bronnie, told me a multitude of stories about Eldred when I did a feature about him in Motor Racing Australia, Mike continued to make the superchargers at Noosa and Bill was involved with the running of Speed on Tweed, which is where the pic of Graeme Snape in the car painted yellow was taken I'm fairly sure.

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Thu May 30, 2019 5:57 am

[video=youtube;o6223hOWLSk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6223hOWLSk[/video]

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:56 pm

John Medley wrote:Clever man, clever cars.
Pity the NOISE of the supercharged Ford Zephyr cant appear on this site!

I thought that Zephyr was the best sounding thing at the Grand Prix...F1 cars included !!!

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by John Medley » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:40 pm

Clever man, clever cars.
Pity the NOISE of the supercharged Ford Zephyr cant appear on this site!

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by Steve Holmes » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:25 am

Strange really, that radials are so commonly used in historic racing when cross-plies are readily available and pretty well priced.

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:59 am

Yes Roger..have to agree about the tyres ..

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by RogerH » Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:47 am

A great looking and innovative car but a pity the tyres grow in size with age - and not just restricted to this car.

Eclipse Zephyr

by bry3500 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:58 am

recent pic
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Double V8

by bry3500 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:28 am

Ford Mercury special twin engine racing car, belonging to Eldred Norman and driven by H.(Harry?) Neale. South Australia's first post-war races were held on the public road circuit at Woodside
DATE 1949
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Zephyr at Mallala

by bry3500 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:36 am

Here's a pic of the undressed Keith Rilstone, ex Eldred Norman Zephyr special.
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More of the Zephyr

by bry3500 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:31 am

Graeme Snape at Seaforth 1980 . He is the current owner
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Double v8

by bry3500 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:20 am

According to his son , the
chassis and running gear was based on a Dodge weapon carrier and the two different
aluminium bodies derived from warplanes. I don't think the car survived .

Re: Eldred Norman - Eclipse Zephyr

by Steve Holmes » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:55 am

This is a really interesting and informative thread. The photos are amazing! I love the twin-Flathead racer. What a monster! It looks like its wearing truck or artillery wheels. Does anyone know if this car has survived?

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