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Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Andrew Metford » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:28 am

Kiwiboss wrote:Andrew, Unless he has his own personal insurance he's taking a hell-off a risk. Just because his track is privately owned and on private property doesn't mean he's immune from responsibility or liability. He may think hes OK and all good, but wait until someone gets injured or at worst killed then he'll find out because once government departments step in look out.....

Personally I admire a guy like this, prepared to have a go but the system is against him and only getting worst. The problem I had was I didn't have the affordability for Lawyer protection, etc to protect myself from a long draw out legal battle(at worst case), but maybe he's wealthy enough not to care? Dale M
The guy is a pretty sharp operator, I'm sure he's all over that stuff. The way he has the whole place set up is wonderful, there's a saloon ( fully licensed ), nice fencing, hay bales to sit on etc. He also does functions and weddings etc at the place. It's a decent set-up, better ( and run better ) than some "professional" outfits………..

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Trevor Sheffield » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:36 am

Kiwiboss wrote:Andrew, Unless he has his own personal insurance he's taking a hell-off a risk. Just because his track is privately owned and on private property doesn't mean he's immune from responsibility or liability. He may think hes OK and all good, but wait until someone gets injured or at worst killed then he'll find out because once government departments step in look out.....

Personally I admire a guy like this, prepared to have a go but the system is against him and only getting worst. The problem I had was I didn't have the affordability for Lawyer protection, etc to protect myself from a long draw out legal battle(at worst case), but maybe he's wealthy enough not to care? Dale M
Just maybe he knows what he is doing, has received legal advice and is not buying into the hyped up stuff allowing self appointed regulators to make money from amateurs having fun.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by khyndart in CA » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:38 pm

Or Ardmore in 1961 with a field like this;
1961 NZGP field at Ardmore.JPG
Anyone care to add up all the Formula One races won by the drivers in this remarkable group ?


And a parking lot like this !
Ardmore. 1961.jpg
It took hours to get out of the parking lot onto a road after the racing but we all enjoyed the day.
(Just a radio report and NO TV. )

Ken H

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Allan » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:19 pm

daytona 500-crowd.jpg
That's not a Pukekoke club meeting in the early 70s by any chance is it?

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Kiwiboss » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:59 pm

Andrew Metford wrote:We ran at Winged Thunder 9 on Sunday at Harrisville Speedway ( right next to Ohakea Air Force Base ), an outlaw meeting for Sprintcars, midgets, Minisprints, and modifieds. It's an outlaw event in the true sense of the word - the bloke built himself a speedway oval in his paddock, and runs it his way. No Speedway NZ rules / limitations / fees and charges / no scrutineering, it's about personal responsibility, and he ENCOURAGES us to run open headers - the biggest trophy for the weekend is for the first Sprintcar across the line with open headers ( we claimed that one :cool: ). Start time - what else but High Noon. Best weekend I've had for a long time, probably helps that we cleaned up at Palmerston North Speedway the night before with both cars too.....

2 more meetings at Western Springs speedway this season - Saturday 2nd March ( final round of the Rolling Thunder Series ), and final night 16 March with bonus demo derby and fireworks. Pits open to the public all night ( no open footwear ), posters for the kids ( young and old ;) ) racing starts at 6pm with non stop action until 10:30. We'll be there looking to finish the season off with some good results.
Andrew, Unless he has his own personal insurance he's taking a hell-off a risk. Just because his track is privately owned and on private property doesn't mean he's immune from responsibility or liability. He may think hes OK and all good, but wait until someone gets injured or at worst killed then he'll find out because once government departments step in look out.....

Personally I admire a guy like this, prepared to have a go but the system is against him and only getting worst. The problem I had was I didn't have the affordability for Lawyer protection, etc to protect myself from a long draw out legal battle(at worst case), but maybe he's wealthy enough not to care? Dale M

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Andrew Metford » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:59 pm

Kiwiboss wrote:Interesting Bruce T...……..and this would be because someone has to take responsibility should an accident occur hence your strict instructions and since this event didn't come under a MSNZ permit it would not be covered under the MSNZ insurance package.

In todays PC world this is what most don't understand but the likes of myself and Bruce soon found out running our groups...……….18 months back I was about to shut HMC down because I found out I was personally liable for everyone's actions "on" and "off" the track, I even asked those racing in our group for funding so I could buy insurance and no one wanted to pay(figures) so who the hell needs that when its just a hobby. Dale M
We ran at Winged Thunder 9 on Sunday at Harrisville Speedway ( right next to Ohakea Air Force Base ), an outlaw meeting for Sprintcars, midgets, Minisprints, and modifieds. It's an outlaw event in the true sense of the word - the bloke built himself a speedway oval in his paddock, and runs it his way. No Speedway NZ rules / limitations / fees and charges / no scrutineering, it's about personal responsibility, and he ENCOURAGES us to run open headers - the biggest trophy for the weekend is for the first Sprintcar across the line with open headers ( we claimed that one :cool: ). Start time - what else but High Noon. Best weekend I've had for a long time, probably helps that we cleaned up at Palmerston North Speedway the night before with both cars too.....

2 more meetings at Western Springs speedway this season - Saturday 2nd March ( final round of the Rolling Thunder Series ), and final night 16 March with bonus demo derby and fireworks. Pits open to the public all night ( no open footwear ), posters for the kids ( young and old ;) ) racing starts at 6pm with non stop action until 10:30. We'll be there looking to finish the season off with some good results.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by John McKechnie » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:10 pm

And I lived there, I would be in the crowd also.....awesome, what an atmosphere

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by khyndart in CA » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 pm

Speaking of insurance, imagine having coverage on this lot as they seem to do this every weekend !
2019 Daytona crash.jpg
2019 Daytona 500 Mile Race 20 miles from the finish !

Although there are a lot of spectators who come to see this sort of thing.
Daytona crowd scene.
daytona 500-crowd.jpg



(Ken H)

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Kiwiboss » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:48 pm

Bruce302 wrote:Exactly right Dale, it was not racing but a mobile display of cars. We were under strict instructions to keep everything subdued and appropriate for a demonstration.

Bruce.
Interesting Bruce T...……..and this would be because someone has to take responsibility should an accident occur hence your strict instructions and since this event didn't come under a MSNZ permit it would not be covered under the MSNZ insurance package.

In todays PC world this is what most don't understand but the likes of myself and Bruce soon found out running our groups...……….18 months back I was about to shut HMC down because I found out I was personally liable for everyone's actions "on" and "off" the track, I even asked those racing in our group for funding so I could buy insurance and no one wanted to pay(figures) so who the hell needs that when its just a hobby. Dale M

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Bruce302 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:06 am

Kiwiboss wrote:To run this as an actual motor racing meeting would require MSNZ licensing and that maybe were the problems begin...…..Dale M
Exactly right Dale, it was not racing but a mobile display of cars. We were under strict instructions to keep everything subdued and appropriate for a demonstration.

Bruce.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Spgeti » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:22 am

nigel watts wrote:So instead of promoting and having a "race meeting", why not just call it a practice day or something similar. I don't think the punters would be overly concerned if the cars weren't actually racing each other as long as they were going fast and making a lot of noise.
It depends on what they are trying to do Nigel. Even a sprint meeting is run under a basic clubsport licence and is limited on laps and cars on the grid.
It still require all the safety ie Ambulance and flag Marshall’s etc plus a CotC. It’s not so simple unfortunately.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by nigel watts » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:10 am

So instead of promoting and having a "race meeting", why not just call it a practice day or something similar. I don't think the punters would be overly concerned if the cars weren't actually racing each other as long as they were going fast and making a lot of noise.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Kiwiboss » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:55 am

Bruce302 wrote:There was a display time when the attendees could walk around the HSS cars and a selection of the Hot Rods on the front straight.
It was good talking with people who love all things automotive, and from the people I spoke to they loved seeing the cars on the track, making noise and a spectacle.

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To run this as an actual motor racing meeting would require MSNZ licensing and that maybe were the problems begin...…..Dale M

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by John McKechnie » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:16 am

The most important thing here is that this formula works, and they want us back next year.
Great fun , and I will make sure Blues battery has a decent charge then
Huge thanks to Cam bringing his 1939 Chev Coupe up from Taupo... theres a dedicated rodder for you.
Great to see Craig in the Zephyr MK2 with stacks through the bonnet...Rod Coppins drove this at Ardmore, Jim Richards drove it at the Wellington street race. Tony Antonievich brought out the Custom Card Camaro for a fun run so did Jamie Bennenbroek- Torana XU1 V8, Ron Findlay ex Graeme Clarke Capri V8, Roger Davis-Torana SLR5000 and Graeme Park.Marian Coupe V8
Also big rap for Adrian Dobbe , Club Captain for running our end,having the HSSC popup there and our souvenir T-shirts and hats available to the public....and running his Viva Torana XU1
Never felt like a race day, different atmosphere...laid back fun club day..

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Spgeti » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:25 pm

At most of our race meets that we attend, HMC/HSC, we always get one or two enquires from the spectators.
Taupo HGP was no different and we had a couple of serious inquires and both will eventually be seen on the grid.
I am working with one of those inquires at the moment on car regulation etc and it is progressing as we speak.
Not all race events have the facilities for car shows etc but the Rebel Round Up is an ideal event for this type of display as it is not a race meeting so it lends itself to display and promote.

Leadfoot also is a good example of this type of event, variety and it attracts a huge crowd.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Paul B » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:39 pm

Agree with Nigel, Some Historic motorsport events need to cover a broader automotive interest level, plus event location for ease of spectators attendance, which, in turn will potentially grow Historic motorsport interest.
Separate grouped displays of cars such as, Schedule K, FIA, T&C, etc.
Classic Bikes are a great idea.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by nigel watts » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:49 pm

Yes I agree. Hot rod and classic car shows tend to attract good size crowds - you only have to go to the Whangamata Beach Hop to see that. From a spectator viewpoint it would be great to have, at the next Rebel Roundup, more HMC and Sports Sedans plus some classic racing motorcycles limited to say 350cc and 500cc. Classic British bikes, Nortons, Matchless, AJS, BSA, Triumph etc also have quite a large following. So the theory is, that if you provide a quality hot rod display coupled with some classic car and bike racing, the crowds will come, and maybe some will get to enjoy this class of racing for the first time and get hooked. I wouldn't mind betting that heaps of potential fans don't know anything about classic motor racing. Just a thought.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Bruce302 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:28 am

There was a display time when the attendees could walk around the HSS cars and a selection of the Hot Rods on the front straight.
It was good talking with people who love all things automotive, and from the people I spoke to they loved seeing the cars on the track, making noise and a spectacle.
Rebel Roundup display.jpg

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by John McKechnie » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:52 am

Kiwiboss wrote:Seen there was a large crowd that might be the secret John, mixing events like this with historic motor racing...……..thoughts?
Dale M
OK, last year Adrian and friends attended as a wild card.
Organizers liked us so much they wanted us back doing the same....display, run, noisey V8s, passenger rides.
This event combines many thing of which we were only a minor part....
Hot Rods...Sports Sedans are hot rods., never homologated or mainstream
Pukekohe....Auckland home of motor racing, and strong seat of hot rodding. My Monaro lived out here,
Hot Rod event like this is perfect for us.
As Spagetti said...a great event which pulls the punters in.

Re: Taupo January 19th- 20th 2019.

by Spgeti » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:11 am

Looks like a great event which pulls the punters in. Basically a rock a billy event with HSS doing 30 minutes of lap time in display mode.
Certainly looks well patronised.

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