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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by duncan fox » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:49 pm

Steve Holmes wrote:Duncan, why do you think the Shadow Mk 1 never really worked as well as expected?
Steve,This car fits Dons quote "if I wanted ordinary Id have bought a McLaren" to a tee.

Firstly I believe the chassis was over powered, it was originally designed around a 600 hp 5 litre Toyota quad cam engine that didn't arrive until early 1970, halfway through the program by which time they were struggling with a whole host of other problems. The main one amongst the many was those tiny tires and the cascade effect they had on the overall design. They were affected by the track surface imperfections, they followed every nook and cranny and in order to keep them on the ground the springing had to be hardened. Result.....it wouldn't go round corners. Went like a raped ape on the straights though due to its low frontal area (not the 250mph hoped for), but then wouldn't stop. The brakes just were not up to it, the air brake in the original design had been banned due to the fia ruling on movable aerodynamic devises. The transmissions had to be modified to turn those small rear wheels 40% faster. Shifting had to be clutchless (unless you wanted to let go the steering wheel) the result of no room for an extra pedal in the foot well and the necessity to have a l/h hand clutch. Cooling was marginal always no matter where the radiators were.
Trevor Harris ideas were all sound but just too much too soon......



Vic Elford said it was the worst car he ever drove.

Newer versions used more current and proven thinking in their designs resulting in a championship in 74

Pete Lyons made the comment in period "racing rewards audacity while punishing excesses of it. And punish Nichols it did, almost bankrupting him.

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:42 am

Steve I will try and get Nick to do quick bit on it, but what I picked up was that Follmer had big nuts and it was really a go kart with very little suspension and had a great big hunk of steel horsepower shoved up his spine.

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Steve Holmes » Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:16 am

duncan fox wrote:I couldn't resist getting in the Mk 1 tiny tire thing and surprise.... it wasn't all that bad . A larger steering wheel (as they had later) would have sorted that dept. Don't know about the hand clutch though............
Very advanced design for its time ,makes me wonder what hallucinogenic drugs were involved.
Duncan, why do you think the Shadow Mk 1 never really worked as well as expected?

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by duncan fox » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:12 am

khyndart in CA wrote:I found some more photos on my tablet camera from my time at the Rolex.
First one is of New Zealander Tony Nicholson showing my friend the internals of a McLaren M29 transmission.
Tony and his son Colin were very friendly as usual even though they had much to do.
Tony has more knowledge on McLaren race cars than anyone I know, especially Can Am.
This is the site for Tony's fine business at Infineon Raceway. Take a look sometime.
http://robinautomotive.com/contact/index.htm

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This was my 2nd year helping Tony. It was the F1's this time. It was kinda neat to have now worked on the very last true McLaren.We think very alike and share material and thoughts all the time. He and I are probably the two most anal McLarenophiles on the planet!!

It was good to meet up with you, I always enjoy your posts.

I have booked my place (and hotels) with Robin for both RA and LS next year . Big year, 2016 in Historics.

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by duncan fox » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:03 am

I couldn't resist getting in the Mk 1 tiny tire thing and surprise.... it wasn't all that bad . A larger steering wheel (as they had later) would have sorted that dept. Don't know about the hand clutch though............
Very advanced design for its time ,makes me wonder what hallucinogenic drugs were involved.

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by duncan fox » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:59 pm

Rod Grimwood wrote:One of the F1 Shadows nearing completion. This was the JP Jarier car.

There are 3 in the shop at the moment.

This one should be extra good as it had Nick in charge with young Alan Dunkley helping (sleeping on floor) along with consultants Russell Greer, Steve Ross and David Arrowsmith keeping an eye on proceedings., a full Kiwi team.
I don't know how the Slades got any work done over that two week period . They made all of us Kiwis feel at home ...so we just moved in, heh heh

Both Nick and Bob were instrumental in helping me pry a near new 46 yr old 5 litre Toyota quad cam racing engine that was originally installed in the tiny tire car but never run out of the Don Nichols cave of treasures. This is for a customer project I am working on.

I talked with Nick and convinced him to approach Don and attempt to keep the trophies and other memorabilia together, as I believed that scattering it around was not in the best interests of recording Dons achievements.
Nichols AVS is one of Americas motorsport greats but doesn't seem have gotten the recognition it deserves.
Im pleased to say they have worked something out and Nick will continue keeping their accomplishments alive in the form of a small museum at the shop in Salinas .

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by khyndart in CA » Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:18 pm

As I was about to leave the track a marshal told me that with my ticket he would allow me into where the cars accelerated away from the pits and out onto the main circuit, I wish I had known that earlier as it gives a good view of what it was like at Laguna Seca on a clear day. I have been here before when the fog rolls in and viewing is almost impossible. So this is my last shots at the 2015 Rolex before heading home.
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John Dimmer heading out in car # 21. A 1971 Tyrrell 004 followed by a McLaren and in the distance the blue 1974 Amon F101
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This shows Charles Warner in car # 17 accelerating away in his pretty radically painted 1979 Shadow DN 9


(Ken Hyndman photos )

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by khyndart in CA » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:15 pm

I found some more photos on my tablet camera from my time at the Rolex.
First one is of New Zealander Tony Nicholson showing my friend the internals of a McLaren M29 transmission.
Tony and his son Colin were very friendly as usual even though they had much to do.
Tony has more knowledge on McLaren race cars than anyone I know, especially Can Am.
This is the site for Tony's fine business at Infineon Raceway. Take a look sometime.
http://robinautomotive.com/contact/index.htm
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(Ken Hyndman photo )

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:34 am

One of the F1 Shadows nearing completion. This was the JP Jarier car.

There are 3 in the shop at the moment.

This one should be extra good as it had Nick in charge with young Alan Dunkley helping (sleeping on floor) along with consultants Russell Greer, Steve Ross and David Arrowsmith keeping an eye on proceedings., a full Kiwi team.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:25 am

Small front brakes because of room with small 10inch front wheels.

The engine was a neat bit also, you could pick it up as it was a dummy/pattern made out of plastic for set-up.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:22 am

This was some of the suspension set up. (inboard) Yes they are valve springs (big buggers) and you adjust the spring pressure/ride the same as adjusting tappets (pedastool with adjuster) amazing setup. it was not all together but you can get an idea of how it worked. They reckon there was not much movement and it really was a big go-kart with tyres doing a lot of suspension work.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:16 am

As we observed it in Nicks shop undergoing a very serious rebuild. Check out the peddle set up and also the seating position, not much in front of you.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:12 am

In 1970 mode and photos of run at Rolex 2007
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:06 am

This one of the model cars that nick had on display.

The following is as best as I can piece it together, but in Nicks shop is this car in real life and in rebuild mode.

Will post some photos of it as it first appeared in 1969 and then in 1970 on. This is one mean beast of a car, George Follmer must have found it uncomfortable to accommodate the balls needed to drive this.

These are 1969

Hopefully Nick can get onboard and straighten out the history, as I am sure to get some of it wrong.


The Shadow Mk I AVS (Advanced Vehicle System), as raced in the 1970 CanAm season, was the first Shadow CanAm car. Designer Don Nichols designed this odd looking car with only one thing in mind; the smallest frontal area as possible. He did this with the cooperation of tire manufacturer Firestone, they designed tires that were 30-35% smaller than the normal tires. With 10 inch rims up front the Mk I AVS had a 13sq-ft frontal area compared to the 19sq-ft frontal area of the 1969 M8B. It was capable of top speeds of 250mph and according to Firestone the tiny tires were capable of speeds of over 300mph.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Grant Sprague » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:51 am

Thank you Rod great photos........ hope yr tune up done soon ....cheers bro

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:24 am

Steve, you may like to move these to another appropriate thread As Old Photos or something if you like, and will concentrate on 2015 Rolex.


Sorry about delays in photos/reports etc of Rolex Monterey, but I am not running on all 8 at the moment, but as soon as tune up is finished we will be into it. Bit of time too size photos also.
cheers

Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:12 am

Caught up with a long time friend and his toy. This was the 1995 car and what a piece of beautiful work. Technology, grunt, handling, looks it had it all. It was very quick and it was great to see these top class drivers strutting their stuff. Steve is still quick and tidy.

Was great to catch up with Steve and his Beautiful wife.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:48 am

And later as remembered by many.

Couple of Mustang before Cortina. This is the car that Bob Slade ran later.
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:44 am

Rob Kennard On left chatting with the present owner of the Cortina Steve Ross. They had just meet and chatted for along time about the car. Was handy as Rob discussed the car at length and new where there were parts etc to help finish rebuild. Will be great to see the car out running in classic events along with the PDL 1 which Steve also has in his toy shed.

Couple early shots of car
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Re: Rolex Monterey Motorsport Reunion

by Rod Grimwood » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:35 am

Kiwiboss wrote:Yes, same car Ken!! Norm said a couple of little items aren't correct and they plan to change them later, was last minute just to make Monterey!!

Dale M
We had great chat with them also, was paying bit of attention to car and they asked if we knew it. Chatted about Bay Park etc and how along with Red's car it was first time 2 had raced together outside States. It is bloody nice and sounded the bit on track also.

The Epson Monza was there also and that sure gets it on.

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