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Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Terry S » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:37 am

rf84 wrote:According to some sources Brabham BT23 C/17 was sold to Jorge Cupeiro for the 1968 Argentinian Temporada Series and that subsequent owners were Xavier Perrot and Kurt Buess (both Switzerland). There was no mention of Baron owning it.
One source claimed Baron bought the replacement chassis off a company called "Race Frames" but I can find no record of this company on the ' Net. It may have been Arch Motors who built frames for Brabham BT 17 models and onwards.


I saw the confusion over BT23C-17 in my research, but don't think it matters in long run as the NZ car was destroyed in a fire in 1978.

So important thing is there are not two of BT23C - 17 running around to confuse the market.

Interesting thing about the fire is I have seen it described both as in a garage, and in a nightclub.
What it was doing in a nightclub is anyone's guess........

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by rf84 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:33 am

According to some sources Brabham BT23 C/17 was sold to Jorge Cupeiro for the 1968 Argentinian Temporada Series and that subsequent owners were Xavier Perrot and Kurt Buess (both Switzerland). There was no mention of Baron owning it.
One source claimed Baron bought the replacement chassis off a company called "Race Frames" but I can find no record of this company on the ' Net. It may have been Arch Motors who built frames for Brabham BT 17 models and onwards.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Terry S » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:47 am

Terry S wrote:Was surprised to see that there were 4 Brabhams listed for the Formula Ford championship.

Were these "real" Brabhams, as Brabhams never made a FF car?


My curiosity was raised by Brabhams racing in Formula Ford events so I decided to investigate further.
Of particular interest was the Brabham BT23 in this starters listing.
After wading through Ten Tenths forum Chassis History Archive, all 514 posts, and Allen Brown’s Old Racing Cars site, I believe I finally have the story.
The car in question is Brabham BT23-7.
Originally purchased in 1968 by Frank Williams for Piers Courage.
Then in late 1968 sold to Roly Levis, who raced it in 1968 Tasman Series, then at Singapore, Batu Tiga and Fuji in following months. Sold to Baron Robertson who raced it at Pukekohe in December 1970.
Levis then tested it for Robertson in practice for December’s Bay Park International, but crashed heavily when a tyre punctured at Rothmans Corner, effectively destroying the car.
Robertson then bought a new Brabham, BT23C – 17 to continue racing.
In the meantime BT23C – 7 was rebuilt by Phil Harris as a Formula Ford, and that is the car in the 1972 FF Championship race listed above, #112. Harris and Peter Haskett raced it in 72 to 74.
It was rebuilt to original specs in 1980’s, and then sold to UK in 1990. Then sold to US, including the well known Bobby Rahal. Last recorded sale to Ted Wentz in 2008.
Now I can rest.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Allan » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:21 pm

Titan Mk6?

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by GD66 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:21 am

Elfin 600 was the first I saw.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by rf84 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:19 am

In the early days of Formula Ford in NZ it was very common to convert old National Formula cars (the 1.6 Ford Twin Cam powered cars) to Formula Fords. So they would have been European Formula 2 or Formula 3 cars that had been converted to NZ National Formula then FF.
As a matter of interest, anyone know what the first purpose built FF car in NZ was?

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Terry S » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:45 am

Jeff wrote:Here's a few more pages from the 72 GP Programme :


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Was surprised to see that there were 4 Brabhams listed for the Formula Ford championship.

Were these "real" Brabhams, as Brabhams never made a FF car?

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by faminz » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:38 am

That Anglia was THE hot car when I was going to school at feilding ag in the day. Everyone who liked fast cars knew the Falloon Anglia and somehow it's just stuck in my memory. I must do a drawing of it!

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Oldfart » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:36 pm

Hi David, that is because Murray was the owner of the POR15 company in Nz.
While at a show some guy came on the POR 15 stand, he and I often shared display space, and waxed on about the car, He then asked if he could look inside. Some time later (perhaps the same show) he returned and handed Murray a bible. He said that Bryan had always carried one in the glovebox, and that this was Bryan's actual one. True or not, I don't know, but the bible is in the glovebox.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Oldfart » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:28 pm

Hi David, that is because Murray was the owner of the POR15 company in Nz.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Noo Noo » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:54 am

bryan faloon 001 (2).jpg


How's this for coincidence?
Last week I asked if anyone knew about Bryan Falloon's old Anglia that I saw when it was well advanced in it's restoration. Today, I was hunting for something in my shed, picked up an old POR15 catalogue and saw this photo on the front cover. The car itself.

David Hunter

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Oldfart » Sun May 31, 2015 7:54 pm

Grant Ellwood wrote:I'm guessing Murray Whitehead in Palmerston North still has Bryan's car, he made a great job of restoring it back to its period specs.

Yes Murray still has the car. It has been used at a few events, mainly hillclimbs and goes well. Murray does not live in Palmerston any longer. At this time he is not in the best of health, but as always optimistic, and looking forward to a great recovery.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Grant Ellwood » Sat May 30, 2015 8:42 pm

Noo Noo wrote:Some years ago - might have been around 15 - I happened to be in Hamilton when a National car show was on at Mystery Creek so I went to have a look. I was wandering around in the building and came across an Anglia 105E racer. Talking to it's owner, he told me it was Bryan Faloons old car and he was restoring it to exactly how it was when Faloon raced it.
The guy was very friendly but before we really got into a conversation some acquaintance of his walked up and commenced talking over the top of me ( one of those people who didn't get taught manners when he was young ) so I wandered off.
When I saw it the car was well advanced in it's restoration so it seems strange that it wasn't completed and become known.

Anyone know anything about it?


I'm guessing Murray Whitehead in Palmerston North still has Bryan's car, he made a great job of restoring it back to its period specs.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Noo Noo » Sat May 30, 2015 11:54 am

frd1 wrote:I never had the privilege of meeting Bryan but owned the old #57 Anglia for a fair while. Everyone always spoke very highly of him. I'll see if I can load a picture of him at Cabbage Tree, at this stage he had gone to the 1650 cc engine with a locked diff.[ATTACH=CONFIG]10102[/ATTACH]



Some years ago - might have been around 15 - I happened to be in Hamilton when a National car show was on at Mystery Creek so I went to have a look. I was wandering around in the building and came across an Anglia 105E racer. Talking to it's owner, he told me it was Bryan Faloons old car and he was restoring it to exactly how it was when Faloon raced it.
The guy was very friendly but before we really got into a conversation some acquaintance of his walked up and commenced talking over the top of me ( one of those people who didn't get taught manners when he was young ) so I wandered off.
When I saw it the car was well advanced in it's restoration so it seems strange that it wasn't completed and become known.

Anyone know anything about it?

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by CUSTAXIE50 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:46 pm

Grant Ellwood wrote:Custaxie, I would like to assist but perhaps we should check with his family first. Can you email me direct - mailto:?subject=&body=
I was talking to a lady in Levin about this today,she told me the council is going through the place doing all the headstones up,i will phone them up to see what the story is on this.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Grant Ellwood » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:32 pm

Custaxie, I would like to assist but perhaps we should check with his family first. Can you email me direct - mailto:?subject=&body=

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by CUSTAXIE50 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:13 am

Grant Ellwood wrote:Some of lettering on the headstone is getting hard to read but the overall condition is quite good.
I will ask around about getting this fixed.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Grant Ellwood » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:03 pm

Bryan died at 29 years old, when I worked with him in my teens I thought he was "old", what I would give to be 29 again.....

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by Grant Ellwood » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:00 pm

CUSTAXIE50 wrote:Tidy yes,but the head stone needs some work done you think Grant.


Some of lettering on the headstone is getting hard to read but the overall condition is quite good.

Re: BRYAN FALOON

by CUSTAXIE50 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:14 am

Grant Ellwood wrote:Hi Custaxie
I visited Bryan's grave during my visit to NZ a couple of weeks ago, looks very tidy so thanks to whoever looks after it.
Grant
Tidy yes,but the head stone needs some work dont you think Grant.

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