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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by superroo69 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:06 am

Ellis wrote:Paul
Pic 1 is from the many on the internet...photographer unknown
Pic 2 came from the collection of the chap that looks after #27
Pic 3 came from Auscrank prior to me ordering my billet crank
Pic 4 is from an aquaintance in Wodonga and was told it is his son in pic

pm me if you have any more concerns

Ellis


Well the first one is mine and is generally not available in this format, without my website watermark running across the image. The image displayed was linked to your photobucket account, so I can only assume that you copied it from this roaring season site, where I think I may have posted it previously in one of the other discussions. If you wish to re-post my image, please provide due acknowledgement. If you think you have seen it elsewhere, please provide the details so I can contact them as well.

Paul

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:09 am

Phillip Is Historics 11-13 Mar 2016

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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:57 am

Philip Island Historics 11-13 Mar 2016


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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:15 pm

Paul
Pic 1 is from the many on the internet...photographer unknown
Pic 2 came from the collection of the chap that looks after #27
Pic 3 came from Auscrank prior to me ordering my billet crank
Pic 4 is from an aquaintance in Wodonga and was told it is his son in pic

pm me if you have any more concerns

Ellis

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by superroo69 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:30 pm

Ellis wrote:Continued...

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Peter Brock at Goodwood

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Des Wests old car...Owner got it out of shed and had it at Gnoo Blaas NSW...It featured in AMC mag.

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Nice to have but..........Dreaming.

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Some (make that lots) have gone to the big graveyard in the sky


Hi Ellis

Whilst I know its been a long time since this was posted, but it would have been nice if you had indicated where you got these photos from and given due recognition to the photographer, if it wasn't you.

Paul

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Spgeti » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:51 pm

I love it. Jeezz I would love to have an EH in HSC Steve but he won't take the 5 speed box out of it. Well done Ellis and what a great group of cars. I like the original steering wheel as well.

Cheers
Bruce

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:28 am

A couple of pics of the 2 FJ's I run (#14 and #40) and also a good mates most immaculate FJ (#7)

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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Steve Holmes » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:52 am

This is Roaring Season member Ellis French, at the wheel of his humpy Holden, at Baskerville a few days ago. Great sound! Check the column shift. This thing is cool!

[video=youtube;BtYEgxrP_xk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtYEgxrP_xk[/video]

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:04 pm

Almost a full Grid of Early Holdens....Baskerville Historics Oct 2014

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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:23 pm

Just a quick link to the Early Holdens going out for practice on Sat 4 Oct at Baskerville Historics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijlw0sUkrmk

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Steve Holmes » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:30 am

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Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Oldfart » Fri May 03, 2013 12:52 am

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Thu May 02, 2013 11:35 pm

Thanks for replies Dale and Custaxie.
Which town is Len Browns "little town"

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by CUSTAXIE50 » Thu May 02, 2013 11:03 pm

Ellis wrote:Yes but to fit them requires lots of machining and if you lose a block you have to get it all done again.
I think its only the 59 Crank that can be used.

Billet is the way to go if you need to rev them to 7 K rpm+.
They are about $4k (3 years ago ) plus the machining to fit them...probably 10-12k all up.

The Vaux crank fitted to the Brock car I have heard was in vicinity of 20K.

I'll stick to the original and keep revs below 6k. That broken crank did 4 1/2 years
The replacement is into its second season (touch wood) doing about 6 meetings a year.

I think the clue is to get the flywheel /clutch assemby down to a bare minimum weight and run a good balancer.

Old speedboat racers ran no flywheel at all and revved them to 8k+

I have heard that there is a historic speedway class in NZ that use Grey motors ....be interested to hear from anyone that knows about it


I was at Harrisville in March this year,and there was an old speedcar there that had a Grey motor running on Methanol.I got talking to the gent who was running this car on this day,his dad runs this car but on this day he was giving the car a run,he said there are three speedcars in nz running a GREY and there is a Historic club in Len Browns little town.

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Kiwiboss » Thu May 02, 2013 9:10 am

Ellis wrote:I have heard that there is a historic speedway class in NZ that use Grey motors ....be interested to hear from anyone that knows about it



Haven't heard of it Ellis but wouldn't be surprised, in the early years of dirt track saloon racing many used FJ Holdens and i'd say back then it would have been the old grey motors, saloon racing on the dirt was a recently new class back then and i can remember Trevor Grey in a very quick FJ at the old Forest Lake Speedway in Hamilton racing door handle to door handle with Ross Decke in a LIP Vauxhall!! im probably talking 1970/71, i was just 11/12 or so at the time, amazing what we can remember when need be!! was great memory's from a long time ago.

I was just 15 with a licence and one of the local hoons around 1975/6 in Tauranga had a hotted up grey motor in some old car like a Austin 7, i always remember him doing burnouts in reverse, he used to rev the shit out of it, LOL

Dale M

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Ellis » Thu May 02, 2013 7:09 am

Yes but to fit them requires lots of machining and if you lose a block you have to get it all done again.
I think its only the 59 Crank that can be used.

Billet is the way to go if you need to rev them to 7 K rpm+.
They are about $4k (3 years ago ) plus the machining to fit them...probably 10-12k all up.

The Vaux crank fitted to the Brock car I have heard was in vicinity of 20K.

I'll stick to the original and keep revs below 6k. That broken crank did 4 1/2 years
The replacement is into its second season (touch wood) doing about 6 meetings a year.

I think the clue is to get the flywheel /clutch assemby down to a bare minimum weight and run a good balancer.

Old speedboat racers ran no flywheel at all and revved them to 8k+

I have heard that there is a historic speedway class in NZ that use Grey motors ....be interested to hear from anyone that knows about it

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by CUSTAXIE50 » Thu May 02, 2013 2:56 am

Ellis wrote:Engine internals...and other weaknesses...
As everyone knows they are prone to breaking crankshafts. Lots of theories exist as to what to do and not to do
and while you may think you are doing the right things they will break whenever they feel like it.
At the 2009 Baskerville Historics Holden Reunion meeting just to prove that nothing changes after 40-45 years of racing
out of around 20 Humpies ....2 blew headgaskets, 1 broke gearbox, 2 broke cranks and 1 rolled.....
Mine didnt fail then...it waited another 15 months till this year and my crank went at Baskerville. Its not too bad , it
lasted 4 1/2 years.

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About all that is done to the standard crank is balancing, better rod bolts and main bolts are used along with main bearing cap strengtheners on centre mains. Billet steel cranks are now available but are around $4k so not cheap and not too many are in use.
Lightenned flywheels and larger harmonic balancers are used along with enlarged and baffled sumps. The heads are ported and planed and larger valves are fitted along with tubular pushrods and with a bore out to 3 3/16" most use hi top pistons but some still run flatop.
Camshaft grinds are free and most use a well known Cam grinder in Melbourne...Clives Cams...no substitute for 45 years or so experience. Aluminium or steel timing geras replace the old original fibre versions.
The gearbox remains standard or maybe fit an EH cluster and a few circlips get silver soldered. The ratios in the gearbox are free and some run close ratio boxes which shifts low up and moves 2nd closer to top. A higher ratio diff is usually then required for some circuits.
Differential ratios are free but the original housing must be retained. For Nb regs drum brakes must remain but finned drums are permitted. Wheels for Nb must remain at 15" but are allowed to be 6" in width. The original old hubs were prone to cracking so later model 13" hubs are permitted with adaptors to take them back to suit 15" stud pattern. LSD or lockers are permitted. Not many of the cars running comply to these Nb specs so are logbooked as Targa class and run disc brakes and 13" wheels so are not permitted in Nb. Quite a few run later red motors and 4 speed boxes but the few purists retain Nb specs which almost mirror the old Appendix J rules from 1960.
So you see nothing has changed since the heady days of the 60's... except for one really important improvement...Tyres.

A one piece crank replaces the 2 piece from a few weeks ago....

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Did some use Vauxhall Cranks allso.

Re: Early Holden Racing....pre EH

by Steve Holmes » Thu May 02, 2013 12:34 am

Thanks for the new pics Ellis, great to see this thread bumped to the top once more. Looks like you're having fun!

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