The Roaring Season

by **Jac Mac** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:39 am

Kwaussie wrote:Very similar to what happened with the venue I was involved in but as land owners were able to build a very strong case for future operations.
The benefits that resulted far exceeded the noise level settings and hours of operation.
One example was the generous noise contour that was applied retrospectively to the surrounding land; the inner where no further building could take place and the outer where land owners could apply for a building permit but had to acknowledge that they were building in a high noise area and they would have to specify and install triple glazing, extra insulation as well as tree planting to soften the noise impact.

[color="#0000FF"]I hope the club members of Southland Sports Car Club are investigating this avenue, with the recent moves to freehold the camping ground and restaurant land to the north of the Teretonga Circuit it would be prudent to have similar measures in place along with an understanding by future property owners of the noise limits that apply. Local body members come & go and it seems like every new bunch of recruits needs to be educated to this stuff.[/color]

by **Bryan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:12 am

Forest could muffle racetrack noise complaints (nice photo of Pilette F500:D )

Residents living near Ruapuna Raceway want the city council to plant a forest to reduce noise coming from the track.
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by **Kwaussie** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:51 pm

ElCoyote wrote:Thankfully you did not have to pander to Len Brown and his NIMBY sycophants nor shag a colleague at rate payers expense.

Gosh things are getting exciting in New Zealand!

by **ElCoyote** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:40 am

Kwaussie wrote:Very similar to what happened with the venue I was involved in but as land owners were able to build a very strong case for future operations.
The benefits that resulted far exceeded the noise level settings and hours of operation.
One example was the generous noise contour that was applied to the surrounding land; the inner where no further building could take place and the outer where land owners could apply for a building permit but had to acknowledge that they were building in a high noise area and they would have to specify and install triple glazing, extra insulation as well as tree planting to soften the noise impact.

Thankfully you did not have to pander to Len Brown and his NIMBY sycophants nor shag a colleague at rate payers expense.

by **Kwaussie** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:46 am

Oldfart wrote:Generally a resource consent is applied for and issued BEFORE any activity, however they are being applied retrospectively, and that is where the issue starts.

Very similar to what happened with the venue I was involved in but as land owners were able to build a very strong case for future operations.
The benefits that resulted far exceeded the noise level settings and hours of operation.
One example was the generous noise contour that was applied retrospectively to the surrounding land; the inner where no further building could take place and the outer where land owners could apply for a building permit but had to acknowledge that they were building in a high noise area and they would have to specify and install triple glazing, extra insulation as well as tree planting to soften the noise impact.

by **Oldfart** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:34 am

Kwaussie wrote:Resource Consent in NZ

Generally a resource consent is applied for and issued BEFORE any activity, however they are being applied retrospectively, and that is where the issue starts.

by **Bryan** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:24 am

ERC wrote:What I can't understand is why it is OK for a club to have music blasting out at 120db - with the doors and windows open so that you can hear/feel the bass reverberating half a kilometre away until 2am or later. Happened to us in Taupo a couple of years ago.

That would likely have breached Taupo's noise rules, but it's up to the "subjective assessment" of the Noise Control officer.

Excessive noise is any noise that is under human control and of such a nature as to unreasonably interfere with the peace, comfort and convenience of any person. Examples of excessive noise may include a loud party, stereo, band practices, audible alarm or machinery.

iirc Levels was the first circuit to get in trouble, because a local lawyer had a neighbouring lifestyle block and got schooled up on the RMA before the car club did. It's these same lifestylers who used to complain to Franklin council about the noise from working farms :rolleyes:

by **Bryan** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:07 am

928 wrote:thanks for that. i will read and digest but at a quick glance things do not look good

Results of the noise monitoring for Western Springs are on the council website
Springs speedway noise monitoring

by **Jac Mac** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:42 pm

[color="#0000FF"]I've just quickly scanned thru the noise limits in relation to Teretonga Park as administered by the Invercargill City Council, They have three categorys of Noise Limits 'A. B. C.' and those refer to the number of days per annum that those limits apply with those readings being for a minimum of 15 minutes and within 20 meters of any dwelling ( rural in the case of Teretonga ) and outside of the Teretonga property/boundary. Therefore the reading taken at the track to check actual car readings is that imposed by the Club and MSNZ, not the local council who's monitoring points are all outside the venue boundaries. I would venture suggest that the same situation might apply to most if not all tracks in NZ...... Hope I've got that right, if I can figure out how I will edit and add the link to the document.[/color]

by **Kwaussie** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:38 pm

928 wrote:in NZ or AU? does make a difference

Resource Consent in NZ

by **ERC** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:41 pm

Agree, people will complain regardless.

What I can't understand is why it is OK for a club to have music blasting out at 120db - with the doors and windows open so that you can hear/feel the bass reverberating half a kilometre away until 2am or later. Happened to us in Taupo a couple of years ago.

Race track noise (except Western Springs or Speedway) is usually all over by about 6pm anyway and as most races are about 11 or 12 minutes with tiny grids, (at tier 1 level anyway!), I think any genuine disturbance from the race track, is grossly exaggerated.

There is a huge difference in being able to hear noise and it interfering with day to day living.

by **928** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:07 pm

Kwaussie wrote:I don't want to be a smart arse but if you apply and are granted a planning permit for the noise level you want to make then there is stuff all people can complain about after the permit is granted.

in NZ or AU? does make a difference

by **Kwaussie** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:12 pm

I don't want to be a smart arse but if you apply and are granted a planning permit for the noise level you want to make then there is stuff all people can complain about after the permit is granted.

by **928** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:36 am

thanks for that. i will read and digest but at a quick glance things do not look good

by **Bryan** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:03 am

928 wrote:not just motorsport but all venues where the public has paid to attend rugby, concerts, just a couple that come to mind

Auckland Council noise rules for stadiums, including Western Springs and Eden Park http://unitaryplan.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Images/Printable%20PDFs%20-%20September/Part%203%20-%20Rules/Chapter%20K/Auckland%20wide/1.10%20sports%20and%20showgrounds.pdf

by **928** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:11 am

not just motorsport but all venues where the public has paid to attend rugby, concerts, just a couple that come to mind

by **Jac Mac** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:48 am

[color="#0000CD"]I wonder if this should be approached at government level rather than via local bodies and as you suggest with readings being taken at venue boundary as a 'blanket' rule for all fixed motorsport venues.[/color]

by **928** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:14 pm

It would seem to me that democracy is dead in NZ when a few can stop the pleasure of many by lodging a noise complaint. Someone needs to remind len brown that a lot of rate payers pay good money to watch speedway at the spring and he and his cronies look after a few complaining people who must have bought their up on the hill homes knowing that people raced cars at the springs. prior use should be the starting point for any complaint.
the same applies to all race tracks in nz. noise should only be measured at the boundary and noted. some tracks in the uk have levels of 106 Db for test days I think Mallory has reopened with a 105Db limit and in nz we have a 95 Db stupidity. come on manz do some thing or get of the pot and let a person who is interested in motorsport try,remember, without motorsport you lot do not have jobs

by **928** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:01 pm

just renewing this thread to get the tulloch camaro thread back on track

by **928** » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:17 pm

Hi Crunch,
thanks for reporting the results.
It still seems as if motorsport is getting the rough end of the stick. Who am I to complain, just another walk away ex race professional who is concerned about standards that are not being properly applied and no one seems to care.

The Roaring Season

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