The Roaring Season

by **Keith844** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:08 am

Sunday race one at the 2020 MG Classic, my first time watching the Historic Muscle & Saloon Cars in person and it definitely didn't disappoint!

[video=youtube_share;vXkYL2lRfts]https://youtu.be/vXkYL2lRfts[/video]

by **Spgeti** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:31 pm

Having just comeback from the Phillip Island Classic that Dale and I attended (my first time there) and looking how our Trans Tasman Cousins do it....both the Group N (Saloons) and Group S (Sports Cars) had grids of 48 cars in each group and ran all races as Scatch.
The variety was great with racing through out the grids.

We don’t as a country have the population to justify these days separate grids let alone the separation of North Island and South Island.
We do it the best we can but even in ERC Ray the speed differential is there and once upon a time you ran your grids separately .
Today the numbers don’t justify it.

The fastest of the ERC grids are quicker than any Muscle Car so this issue also also applies to those grids.

It’s a sad state that we are in re numbers but we are attracting more people to our grids due to those wanting to be more historically correct. Yes some will alway be cautious and that’s fair enough but that applies to all racing these day in our groups.

Wet here today so being inside is easy...

Take care guys

by **Kiwiboss** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:22 am

ERC wrote:Unfortunately, we haven't really fully embraced the 'classes' concept in Historics, and Historic Muscle Cars is all about Muscle anyway. The massive speed differential always puts people off entering smaller capacity cars.

Not true Ray, Historic Muscle is only about period correctness from that era(as best as possible) you maybe thinking Central Muscle Cars as some get confused? We have tighten the noose even further by making the big cars have more interior fitted and better attention to detail and NOT allowing the rules to slip, HMC cars have gone no faster in the last 5 years as they've hit the performance brick wall and this is mainly due to having an all iron heavy engine over the front axle and bias ply period tyres(as it was).

Bruce is correct, some of the small saloons are at the performance level of the fastest HMC cars, they have lifted their game and new HSC cars coming onboard are at a more period correct level and very quick. We now have a full reverse grid starts without any vehicle starting in pitlane, the times between first and last(as Bruce says) has tighten somewhat.

Also, certain tracks play the advantage either way, Hampton with its long straights and up hill climb helps the V8's, Pukekohe with the kink and Taupo are 50/50 tracks and Manfield suits the small saloons but only just....we had the same down south recently, Levels played towards the small saloons with Foggys Mini dealing to us but Teretonga with its loooong main straight help the V8's.

When i look at old footage from the UK the racing between big and small saloons was impressive, it looks so good and didn't the spectators luv it, sort what we're aiming to have in both groups and thats why i luv the picture i posted.

Take Care of yourself Ray

Regards Dale

by **Spgeti** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:28 am

Angus in his Mini was seriously competitive at Levels this season against the Muscle Cars and yes that’s Angus but our Escorts can take it to the Muscle Cars at both Taupo and Manfield.
Fact the RX2 was the quickest last season at MG in our class at Manfeild.
Many of our race meetings the difference from the front to the rear of the field is no more than 10 seconds per lap.

We have come along way with our grid and for 5 years the Muscle cars have not improved on lap time but the HSC cars have.
It is seriously close at the front both for the HMC and HSC.

We have had a great season with great grids so something must be working...our tour down south was very successful and appreciated by many down there.

by **ERC** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:28 am

Lacking Minis Bruce, in the ERC Series too.

Back in those days in the UK, it was always capacity classes, but note the Hillman Imp with wide arches.

Unfortunately, we haven't really fully embraced the 'classes' concept in Historics, and Historic Muscle Cars is all about Muscle anyway.

The massive speed differential always puts people off entering smaller capacity cars.

by **Spgeti** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:14 am

It’s a great photo Dale. Yes we are similar heaps of Mustangs, Camaros, Escorts, a BMW and a Viva but sadly lacking Mini’s....

by **Kiwiboss** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:30 am

Saloon car racing how it was............and what HMC and HSC are about.

by **nigel watts** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:29 pm

Looking forward to seeing it on the track

by **Paul B** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:50 am

Look awesome Dale! Nice build.

by **Kiwiboss** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:26 am

Andrew Metford wrote:Very nice, your usual high standard of workmanship and presentation. Well done, I bet the owner can't wait to get it on the track - at the opening round next month?

Hopefully yes Andrew, testing at Taupo Monday and all going to plan the TACCOC one day meeting Nov 3rd at Puke. Dale

by **Andrew Metford** » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:31 am

Very nice, your usual high standard of workmanship and presentation. Well done, I bet the owner can't wait to get it on the track - at the opening round next month?

by **Bruce302** » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:12 am

Looking Good Dale.

by **Kiwiboss** » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:49 pm

For those interested progress on the 68 Camaro....

by **Steve Holmes** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:59 am

Thanks for letting us take over your workshop Dale! And the for chocolate muffins. I should visit more often! Ha ha. The cars in your shop and the automobilia etc made for a great backdrop.

by **Kiwiboss** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:00 am

Had the pleasure of having the Segedin Mustang in my shop today, along with Ian Rankin, Murray Maunder and Steve Holmes doing film work for a new TV program(watch this space).

Thanks to Sean and Jane McCaughan for bringing this fabulous Mustang down that now races in the "Historic Saloon Car" Group with its next meeting the Taupo GP, January 2020.

by **kiwi285** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:20 am

That is a fantastic looking car and will be a great addition to the grids.

by **Kiwiboss** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:09 pm

Philip Maceys XC Falcon coupe historic race car on display at the Speedshow yesterday(Sat 13th July). Had a good chat with Philip, he has not driven the car yet but will test in the next few weeks, he wants to go south for the Waimate 50 to kick off and then start the season with HMC/HSC Inc. He had a prime spot at the show and received a ton of positive comments, mainly how correct the car looks especially the wheels.

by **kiwi285** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:48 am

Looking good Dale - it is easy to see the work that goes into a car when you see such photos.

Looking at the different colours that appear from the different photos - can see why some people get sidetracked.

by **Kiwiboss** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:11 am

Thanks Ken, the colour is also similar to a Ford Fleet blue from back in the day but we wont tell the Chebbie guys that ha ha.......

Couple more pics of progress. Dale M

by **khyndart in CA** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:45 pm

Hello Dale,
Looking forward to seeing you driving this great looking vehicle.
Here is another Sunoco Penske machine I photographed at Laguna Seca. 2016.
A great colour blue that changes as you walk around the car.

(Ken Hyndman photos..)

The Roaring Season

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